Hard riding Genesis sedan.

[Seattle Genesis]

How about you grab eachothers ballsacks and get rid of the damn cars?

Im sure that would excite you too much !

 

[nearwater]

My guess is the car should have a lower high speed damping rate, and a higher low speed rate.

My thoughts exactly.

However, subsequently, we found some roads where it acts downright terrible. For example it does not like the downhill section of Long Lake just West of Woodward avenue.

I haven't found a surface that acts like the way you described; "downright terrible"
It'll be interesting to see what it's like over there. I'll probably go to that section of road over the weekend and let you know how I felt.
What's your build date btw? Mine is 5/20/2009

It also isn't something you might notice in 3 seconds. .... Even with a test drive we didn't notice how unsettled the car could get because we didn't hit roads that caused the suspension to really act up till after we bought our car. Because we drive these roads only on occasion, and because we haven't experienced the porpoising others have, we aren't nearly as unhappy as they might be.

I agree that it can take more than a few test drives to notice a certain lack of feature or a design flaw.
Bashing someone's opinion strictly because 'one didn't get a test drive' doesn't apply in this case.




After a month and a half of ownership, I have no major complaints as far as suspension goes.
Like Disaster said, it could be tweaked to be more refined than it is right now, but overall, I'm happy.

Dan

 

[jwaters943]

That comes across as insulting, which I think we should avoid on these forums. You don't need to sympathize with them, but if you aren't in their shoes so you don't know what there particular situation is therefore it is premature to judge them. Even with a test drive we didn't notice how unsettled the car could get because we didn't hit roads that caused the suspension to really act up till after we bought our car. Because we drive these roads only on occasion, and because we haven't experienced the porpoising others have, we aren't nearly as unhappy as they might be.

Take it how you will. I'm not intending to be insulting, just honest. I can maybe understand someone not fully realizing how stiff/bouncy the suspension can get over broken pavement/expansion joints until owning the car, but for those who freely admit to not even driving the car prior to purchase....no sympathy, sorry.

My personal opinion (feel free to disagree w/ me):

If you plunk down $40k on a new car and don't so much as drive it first you really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. And then to blame Hyundai and ask for them to 'fix' your car? Even more laughable. It's like buying a house by looking at pictures and the realtors description and then blaming the seller for your unhappiness with the home after you buy it because the layout sucks or the bedrooms are too small, etc.

 

[Disaster]

I haven't found a surface that acts like the way you described; "downright terrible"
It'll be interesting to see what it's like over there. I'll probably go to that section of road over the weekend and let you know how I felt.
What's your build date btw? Mine is 5/20/2009

Check it out. In the North lane of Long Lake, going down the hill as you approach Woodward avenue, the road has a back and forth washboard that is a challenge for any car but is particularly bad in the Genesis...especially if you hit it at just the right speed and rhythm...I think this is the closest I've ever come to the resonance that some people mention. Instead of smoothing the bumps the Genesis makes them worse....seems to get more upset as go along. My wife has the car now but I recall I have a much earlier build date...late 2008. It is possible you have one of the suspension improvements some people say Genesis made as a running change in '09.

If you plunk down $40k on a new car and don't so much as drive it first you really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. And then to blame Hyundai and ask for them to 'fix' your car? Even more laughable. It's like buying a house by looking at pictures and the realtors description and then blaming the seller for your unhappiness with the home after you buy it because the layout sucks or the bedrooms are too small, etc.

The "sharpest knife in the drawer" comment is a bit harsh, but I agree that if you are dissatisfied with the ride all the time (and not just over a surface that it acts up on) you have only yourself to blame. It seems like blaming everyone else for your mistakes and expecting compensation as well is a uniquely American trait...or at least it is fostered in our society.

 

[HeavyG]

My experience with the Genesis's suspension has been generally positive; while the ride can get a bit harsh at times (especially over potholes and ruts), it had been generally smooth. For me, the biggest test of a suspension system is how well the wheels stay on the ground while hitting a bump, especially when turning. I've taken hard curves and cloverleaf off-ramps at pretty high speeds in my Genesis and when I hit a bump, the rear end stays planted on the road, compared to my previous ride, a pick up truck with a solid axle, where the rear end would come loose when I hit a bump.

 

[nearwater]

My experience with the Genesis's suspension has been generally positive; while the ride can get a bit harsh at times (especially over potholes and ruts), it had been generally smooth.

So is mine. I'm actually quite happy with my ride.

I've taken hard curves and cloverleaf off-ramps at pretty high speeds in my Genesis and when I hit a bump, the rear end stays planted on the road, compared to my previous ride, a pick up truck with a solid axle, where the rear end would come loose when I hit a bump.

Now that wouldn't be a fair comparison.

Dan

 

[tjc78]

I came from an Avalon (2006 and prior 2003). I thought I wanted something a bit firmer and sportier. The Genesis fit the bill. I drove it a few times and thought I would like the ride. Mine is an early build (7/08) if that makes any difference.

IMHO the car simply doesn't ride that well. If anything mine has gotten worse after 10K miles. The ride is unsettled and jittery at times. I sometimes can't imagine how something this relatively firm can bounce so much. It could be that the suspension is too much of a compromise between BMW firm and Toyota plush.

I have tried all different tire pressures and have the 17" wheels (premium package only) and there is very little difference. Currently I have mine at 33, hoping that the Dunlops make it to the end of lease.

Having said all that I think its a subjective thing. My GF absolutely loves every minute she spends behind the wheel and says that this car drives "much better" than the Avalon. Have had several colleagues in my car and all think I am nuts.

What have I learned? Buy an Avalon next time...

 

[jwaters943]

Having said all that I think its a subjective thing. My GF absolutely loves every minute she spends behind the wheel and says that this car drives "much better" than the Avalon. Have had several colleagues in my car and all think I am nuts

This is what I've been saying for months!

Sorry you aren't happy w/ the Gen.

 

[doug725]

Yet everyone who rode with me agreed it was abysmal and in fact would never ride in the back seat again lest they hurl their lunch. This proves nothing except what I have been saying all along - most 2009s have a geneally acceptable, though not a refined, ride. It is indeed tighly sprung and prone to divergent opinions due to lack of refinement, differing road conditions, and its susceptibility to extraneous factors such as outisde temperature, age of car and tires specs.

Some of the early 2009s were extreme.

This is what I've been saying for months!

Sorry you aren't happy w/ the Gen.

 

[doug725]

then you need to read more of the threads/posts before commenting.

I'm puzzled as to why somebody would purchase any car if he/she didn't like the way it rides. If you're accustomed to floating along in a Buick or something, you would sense the difference in the first 3 seconds of a test drive in a Genesis. For pete's sake, if you don't like it then don't buy the car.

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[doug725]

This time you are right about something!

dg_moore:

Unfortunately there seems to be quite a few Genesis owners who's only pre-purchase research included reading reviews of the car. It's obvious that a proper test drive on a variety of surfaces was not done. In fact, a couple have admitted to not even driving one at all prior to purchase.

They get no sympathy from me.

 

[mk1]

This time you are right about something!

He's BAAAAACK!!!

 

[ImInPA]

This time you are right about something!

Hi Doug. Hope all is well with you and the Milan.

 

[Sayantsi]

Everyone who rides in my "rough" Genesis loves it. I guess some people really are princesses with peas. Won't be happy with anything harder than soggy bread, or a Toyota Avalon. Same difference.

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Im not sure why some people on this forum dont accept that some people have real issues with the suspension. Why is that impossible to believe? With all that has been said about the early 09's and the 'change' in late 09 and 2010 models there must have been the same concerns to Hyundai. So why is it that we (the people who do have issues with their suspension) are completely nuts and wasting bandwidth? We are using this forum as a 'soapbox' to standup and ask why are we having problems and trying to find a real solution. We are not here to drone on and complain with out a valid reason. Give us a break! We have a real problem here that we need Hyundai's help on. I have gone to HMA with my problem and as everyone else has reported, its working within the designed parameters according to HMA. OK if thats the case then HMA obviously designed the wrong parameter since they changed it in late 09 and 2010.

So c'mon... stop slamming us guys that have real suspension problems. If you dont have these problems... then Halelujaih... Hip Hip Hooray. But some of us do. Please be considerate and help us find a solution and then we will all probably leave this forum. I know I will if I get my suspension fixed.

Thanks,
Seattle Genesis

 

[Sayantsi]

Its not impossible to believe. Its completely within the realm of possibility that someone doesn't like the way a car rides. The problem is when said people project their unhappiness as a fault of the car's. The fact is, the buyer didn't perform proper due diligence before buying, and bought something they didn't like.

A Genesis rides the way a Genesis rides, just as an Avalon rides the way an Avalon rides. You can't pay me to drive an Avalon, and that is a decision I made after driving one and testing out the car top to bottom. It is nicely appointed, roomy, has excellent build quality, its quiet, and too cushy - it handles like a drunken whale.

I think a lot of early owners saw a cut-rate Lexus when they saw the Genesis and jumped in without knowing exactly what they were getting. Its easy to see the price tag, standard equipment list, and bling factor, and buy in without really testing the car. Many folks here admitted to not really testing the car before buying, or in some cases, even seeing one in person.

Once they found out what they really bought, maybe they weren't happy, and that is their opinion that they are free to have, but don't blame Hyundai or the Genesis because its not what you expected.

There's a reason cars like the DTS and the Crown Victoria have trundled along for so many years; there's a large group of Americans that want that pillowy ride. There are more than a few on these boards that admitted to coming from these cars, and being unhappy with the Genesis. The best thing to do when you make a mistake is cut your loses and move on, not cry endlessly about it and expect someone to fix it for you.

If you want a solution, here are two:
One - sell the Genesis, and buy a different car.
Two - Take the Genesis to a suspension shop, have them dyno the springs and shocks, and have the shop build you 50% softer springs and 50% firmer shocks.

Both are easy to do, yet folks seem to prefer moping here and waiting for Hyundai to hand out some magical fix, instead of executing change themselves. People need to separate characteristics from problems.

 

[ASHDUMP]

I'm a Genesis Owner for Life!

This car is amazing.

 

[Gambler]

... People need to separate characteristics from problems.

Nicely put. The argument that Hyundai changed the suspension therefore it was faulty in the early editions is bogus. Hyundai may have found many didn't like it and tweaked it to try and appeal to a wider audience. I have an early '09 and have no issue with what some people call harsh.

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Its not impossible to believe. Its completely within the realm of possibility that someone doesn't like the way a car rides. The problem is when said people project their unhappiness as a fault of the car's. The fact is, the buyer didn't perform proper due diligence before buying, and bought something they didn't like.

A Genesis rides the way a Genesis rides, just as an Avalon rides the way an Avalon rides. You can't pay me to drive an Avalon, and that is a decision I made after driving one and testing out the car top to bottom. It is nicely appointed, roomy, has excellent build quality, its quiet, and too cushy - it handles like a drunken whale.

I think a lot of early owners saw a cut-rate Lexus when they saw the Genesis and jumped in without knowing exactly what they were getting. Its easy to see the price tag, standard equipment list, and bling factor, and buy in without really testing the car. Many folks here admitted to not really testing the car before buying, or in some cases, even seeing one in person.

Once they found out what they really bought, maybe they weren't happy, and that is their opinion that they are free to have, but don't blame Hyundai or the Genesis because its not what you expected.

There's a reason cars like the DTS and the Crown Victoria have trundled along for so many years; there's a large group of Americans that want that pillowy ride. There are more than a few on these boards that admitted to coming from these cars, and being unhappy with the Genesis. The best thing to do when you make a mistake is cut your loses and move on, not cry endlessly about it and expect someone to fix it for you.

If you want a solution, here are two:
One - sell the Genesis, and buy a different car.
Two - Take the Genesis to a suspension shop, have them dyno the springs and shocks, and have the shop build you 50% softer springs and 50% firmer shocks.

Both are easy to do, yet folks seem to prefer moping here and waiting for Hyundai to hand out some magical fix, instead of executing change themselves. People need to separate characteristics from problems.

I completely understand what you are saying, but you obviously do not experience the suspension problems I have in my car. Its not a perception. Trust me it is a real problem.
I would like for HMA to step up.. Im finding that will not be the case as time goes by. So I have already pursued your second solution and will let you know the outcome.

Seattle Genesis

 

[Sayantsi]

I would love to know what the dyno numbers are for the OEM suspension parts, if you get that info, please share it!