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Have you had problems with your Genesis?

Have you had problems with your Genesis?

  • No problems whatsoever.

    Votes: 266 37.3%
  • A couple minor issues, but nothing major.

    Votes: 260 36.5%
  • Yes, I've had a few problems/issues.

    Votes: 166 23.3%
  • Way too many to count. This car is a headache!

    Votes: 21 2.9%

  • Total voters
    713
If you haven't had most of these problems, you either work for Hyundai or don't own a Genesis. I tried to make sure all of the words were spelled correctly.

So do you go by "Bear" or "Edsel"? Why the name change? It later occurred to me that a professional "Troll" would misspell some words to seem like they weren't a professional writer.
 
I would have gotten rid of that car as well, but would never have taken such a fiscal loss as you did. I would have lawyered up for $5K and gotten myself a new Genesis.

I agree.

Don't most US states have lemon laws that say that if a problem isn't fixed after X attempts, the manufacturer has to buy the car back?

(Of course, here, in apparently 'left-wing' 'socialist' Canada, there is no similar legislation. But hey, anybody who tells you consumer protection legislation is stronger in English Canada than in the U.S. is lying. Quebec may be a different story, but the other provinces, no way.)

If there was a lemon law around, then I don't see why one would eat a $14K loss. That's a huge chunk of cash...
 
If there was a lemon law around, then I don't see why one would eat a $14K loss. That's a huge chunk of cash...

I don't really see how one would have a $14K loss on such a vehicle anyway, unless he was getting out of a lease or something. It actually makes the whole story suspect.

I guess it's possible he just didn't make a very good deal. The KBB list a trade-in value of more than 37K for a V8 tech with 7,500 miles in Excellent condition. I understand that it can be difficult to get full KBB trade-in value, but you can usually get pretty close and worst case, sell it on the open market, or take it to Carmax. You'd have to do a pretty poor negotiating job to take a 14K bath on the deal, even after taxes and everything.
 
Edesi - That is a horrible experience with you ill-fated Genesis.

I have many of the similar problems with my Genesis, along with some additional ones, hopefully they will be finally resolved my next service visit around. I wouldn't trade the car at the loss for a defect; I would pursue Hyundai before I did something like that. BBB & Lemon clause of your state.

You buy a brand new car. A Luxury car. You expect everything to be comfortable, and working as designed. I'm sorry to hear about your experience.
 

To answer your questions...
Flyboy2: I'm not a "troll". Read my 7 posts. 6 Very positive and/or helpful, and 1 extremely disappointed, 4 months later. Only the last was very wordy, so I'm hardly making a living bashing Hyundai on the payroll of another manufacturer. Also, I'm sorry for the mispellings if they offended you. I did not realize site policy was to spell check an entry before submitting - but I'm certainly glad you are here now to evaluate the mechanicals of posts and also tell others what to think of them. Oh, and by the way, my name on the posts is "edesi" not Edsel. For someone so critical of my spelling, perhaps you could take the time to read correctly before responding. I don't actually know who "Bear" is, but that response was not from me...
TTSIG: My tag line explains how I lost so much money - $5,000 invested in personalizations for a car I REALLY started out loving - Alloy Wheels, New Tires, a subwoofer / amplifier system, Window and Lamp Tints, etc, etc, etc. You can read the list. Delaer does not give a crap about any of this stuff when you turn the car in. I was offered (after intense negotiation) 33K on trade against a car I had paid the dealer 41 plus taxes for. BTW - Anybody want to make an offer on a brand new set of unused 4.6 alloys and OE Tires - still have them, less the TPS sensors - I had the "other" manufacturer Flyboy2 accuses me of working for ship them to me in case anyone questioned my legitimacy...
Scottdk: No, I didn't see another dealer. Really out of anger and total frustration. After 7 days, 400 miles and "unable to verify" on every complaint, including 2 I was able to demonstrate on pickup before the car left the lot and the balance I re-experienced within the first 45 miles of driving, I wasn't really feeling it was wise to make another major investment of my time trying to get the car fixed. Add to that my investment in rental cars that simply worked better than my brand new one and I was more interested in pulling the plug and taking my lumps than making a career out of getting my car up to spec. Call me crazy, but that's the way I am...
 

TTSIG: My tag line explains how I lost so much money - $5,000 invested in personalizations for a car I REALLY started out loving - Alloy Wheels, New Tires, a subwoofer / amplifier system, Window and Lamp Tints, etc, etc, etc. You can read the list. Delaer does not give a crap about any of this stuff when you turn the car in. I was offered (after intense negotiation) 33K on trade against a car I had paid the dealer 41 plus taxes for. BTW - Anybody want to make an offer on a brand new set of unused 4.6 alloys and OE Tires - still have them, less the TPS sensors - I had the "other" manufacturer Flyboy2 accuses me of working for ship them to me in case anyone questioned my legitimacy...

OK, so you spent $5000 on upgrades for a car you just purchased, I guess I can see that. Still, it's interesting that quite a number of the problems you experienced started after you did all your mods. Things like the "total loss of electrical power". It seems possible, perhaps likely, that your mods were part of that problem? I've seen quite a few botched sound system "upgrades" that cause vehicle electrical problems. I suspect all the mods probably lowered your trade value.

Still, I can sense your overall frustration, and I don't doubt that you owned a vehicle and traded it, and took a bath on it. I think you could have done much, much better with your trade, but I guess it wasn't worth it for you.
 
edesi56 - sorry you had so many troubles; you definitely got a lemon. What's more troubling is that as a PAID supporter of this site, you're treated in such a manner by a few of the raving fanboys. Trying a different dealer is sound advice, but my experience with Hyundai is -- you have to try a lot of dealers before finding a good one. I tried six and still wasn't impressed.

ttsig - KBB is WAY off on that figure. No dealer in the world would give near invoice price (based on a NEW vehicle) for a used vehicle.... especially a Hyundai. They'd have to resell at OVER invoice to make anything... again, on a used vehicle. Hyundai gives/gave some incredible dealer incentives to push the Genesis out... some paid low to mid 30's NEW... in a Chrysler-like fashion, these incentives tank the resale market. I shopped mine around to 8 different dealers, most came back in the high 20's to very low 30's. The only reason I ended up coming out ok was because I traded for a Lexus LS460.

To be fair, any manufacturer can churn out a lemon. I had a terrible experience an 07 Escalade ESV -- the rear window fell out on the way home from the dealer, the navigation system fried, climate control broke, transmission stuck in manual mode - 1st gear and a host of other issues all within the first week of ownership. I gave the dealer a solid month or more to resolve the issues, but they were unable to. Fortunately, the dealer and GM were willing to step up and build a new vehicle. That's the difference... all cars can have issues, it's only a matter of whether the manufacturer and dealer(s) will step up. This isn't Hyundai's strong-suit in my opinion.

Good luck with your new vehicle... what did you get?
 
Have an appointment tomorrow morning to replace seat belt buckles that would not latch .
 
LLT-
Thanks for your comments, perhaps providing a dose of reality in this situation for those with stars (or wings) in their eyes...

Wow - I thought my gremlins were bad- but having the rear window fall out on the way home - I would have considered that a sign from the Almighty - only thing worse would be to be struck by lightening as you pulled out of the lot!

To answer your question, I bought a Jaguar XF Portfolio. And to show others that I'm not on Jaguar's payroll, that car went back to the dealer the day after I picked it up with a serious wheel balance problem, a brake pedal pulsation and a cracked speaker in the top-line sound system. 50% more $ does not buy you perfection, either... or perhaps the poltergeists present in my Genesis simply followed me into the Jag...

Anyway, to be clear - I still think the Genesis is an awesome car. Incredible value for the money, loaded with features, excellent build quality and unsurpassed warranty. If you understand statistics at all, you have to accept the fact that when a manufacturer builds 100,000 of something, not every one will be perfect...

The thing I am extremly disappointed with is the level of dealer service provided by Hyundai for a luxury car. IMHO, if you want to be in this market, and even go upmarket from here (with the forthcoming Equus) you had better have a "top down" marketing strategy that includes exceptional service from the get-go. I would think that if you are trying to penetrate an already crowded, well-established market with an all-new model like the Genesis, and you are selling in limited numbers, you would pay careful attention to customer feedback. You'd be proactively surveying your customers independently to measure their experiences and not just passively gathering information on warranty claims after the fact. As in my case, if there are 22 "cannot verify" issues with the car at the dealership level, looking at warranty claims tells you nothing about what your customer is actually experiencing. The "Worlds Best Warranty" does you no good if you have to drag the dealer kicking and screaming through the process of getting your car repaired.
Here's what I'm talking about:
Jaguar - 3 problems on delivery, which I reported to the salesman via email. 10 minutes later, a call from the Service Writer to me, arranging a service appointment as soon as I wanted it. 5 Minutes later, a call from the Service Manager making sure the issues were handled to my satisfaction and apologizing for the oversight in not catching the problems before delivery. (in the dealer's defense, the car was swapped in from another dealer 1,500 miles away and had already been "prepped" by the other dealer). 15 minutes after that, a call from the General Manager with his personal apology. When I dropped the car off, a brand new Jaguar was waiting as a loaner. The service writer test drove my car with me and duly verified the complaints on the copy of the repair order he gave me. They made a bad situation better by showing me that they cared, and gave me confidence I could work with them.
Hyundai - Dropped the car off at the dealership where I purchased it with 25 requests and a detailed list of 22 problems. Was not offered alternate transportation, even though car ended up in dealership for 8 days. Never got a call from dealer personnel during the visit - all calls initiated by me. Never spoke to anyone other than the service advisor. "No Problem Found" on 22 of 25 items, some of which were never even listed on Repair Oder. Had to fight to get some of the warranty items covered under warranty. Surveyed by Hyundai and indicated extreme dissatisfaction with service. This, by the way, was the 3rd Hyundai survey in which I had indicated I was having problems with the car. I've never heard back from them.
I think even the most starry-eyed fanboy would agree that they need to do better than that. I would not wish this experience on anyone, but, as they say, "shit happens"- I think the true measure of excellence for any manufacturer is in how you take care of your customer after the sale, after you have their money - that's what creates loyalty and differentiates businesses in a commodity market.
Judging from the consensus of what I read on this forum, and certainly by my own personal experience, Hyundai's dealers and Hyundai themselves have a long way to go in this area...
 
I am extremely happy with my Genesis. 2009 Genesis 4.6 V8 Tau Sedan. The only problems i have had were: Once loss of elec. to Stereo. GPS worked fine. That lasted a seven minute ride to work. On way home started working fine. A more steady problem is the preset positioning of the steering wheel. When exiting car seat and steering wheel retract out of way. When starting the car, the seat moves into position but the s/w struggles. Whether i use the preset button or the toggle on the column the s/w is jerky and requires about 4-6 inputs to place into the correct position. i have tried disabling the exit setting and reactivating it to no avail. It began as the weather became cooler so...don't know. Seems to work ok as engine warms up. Question: Is the mechanism actuator hydraulic or electrical?

Thanks.
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I am extremely happy with my Genesis. 2009 Genesis 4.6 V8 Tau Sedan. The only problems i have had were: Once loss of elec. to Stereo. GPS worked fine. That lasted a seven minute ride to work. On way home started working fine. A more steady problem is the preset positioning of the steering wheel. When exiting car seat and steering wheel retract out of way. When starting the car, the seat moves into position but the s/w struggles. Whether i use the preset button or the toggle on the column the s/w is jerky and requires about 4-6 inputs to place into the correct position. i have tried disabling the exit setting and reactivating it to no avail. It began as the weather became cooler so...don't know. Seems to work ok as engine warms up. Question: Is the mechanism actuator hydraulic or electrical?

Thanks.
There was a TSB for the steering wheel not returned to the preset.
STEERING WHEEL POWER TILT & TELESCOPE LIMIT SWITCH REPLACEMENT
 
Good evening all, I am new to this forum and I have been watching this forum for the last 3 months as I am still on the fence on whether to jump into a Korean car, I know they are nothing like they use to be, but they say GM vehicles are not either and I swore those off almost 30 years ago. Edesi56 , I was really intrigued on the problems that you have had with your vehicle, especially the dealer service you recieved, I have looked at the Dealership experience forum on this site and have not seen your input there.. I live in the same area as you and would hate to purchase a vehicle there only to have problems with no resolve.. Could you expose the dealership you were dealing with? There are a couple of dealerships in our area and I am looking into purchasing from the one on Wake Forest Rd.
 
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I had:

1. No sound, took it to the dealer twice. They replaced the amplifier the second time and all worked fine.

2. Pinhead-sized pitting all over the windshield. Car only has 10,000 miles and is not driven anywhere unusual. It's very hard to see if driving into the sun.
 
Samsplace -
BINGO!
Dealer on Wake Forest Road was my selling and servicing dealer. My wife drives a Mazda CX9 and has been treated very well (and had a good service experience) in the Mazda facility on the same property, but Hyundai Service is seperate and, well, I don't think I need to go into my experience with them in any more detail than I already have.
Service Advisor I dealt with there was really nice. That's about the only positive thing I can say about them.
Best of luck,
Edesi
 
Edesi56, thanks for your reply, I will investigate the dealerships closer, Cary is only a few miles further, however, before anything is purchased I will be reading the forum some more. This is a very nice car and as any other vehicle it is a mechanical/electrical piece of equipment that can and will have problems. the severity and frequency of the problems and the support you recieve to resolve these issues is another matter, we run a car for 10 years in the family and then get rid if it, ( wife first 5 years, me the second 5)- low maintenance costs and dependabilty is what we are looking for.. Thanks again
 
It seems like most of problems being sited are with the 2009 model. Has anybody had any similar problems with the 2010 model? I'm looking to get a car in the next month or two and I'm leaning toward the Genesis. As of right now, I haven't decided between the 2009 or the 2010, but if it seems a lot of the problems/bugs have been corrected in the 2010 model, then I should go with the 2010
 
It seems like most of problems being sited are with the 2009 model. Has anybody had any similar problems with the 2010 model? I'm looking to get a car in the next month or two and I'm leaning toward the Genesis. As of right now, I haven't decided between the 2009 or the 2010, but if it seems a lot of the problems/bugs have been corrected in the 2010 model, then I should go with the 2010

Get the 2010:
- retuned suspension
- for Americans, ultra-premium leather on V6 techs and maybe other V6s
- for Canadians, ultra-premium leather on V8 techs
- for Canadians, leather dash on non-base V6
- adaptive cruise control
- electronic parking brake with auto hold
- apparently the radio keeps playing when you turn the engine off
- unknown little reliability tweaks (e.g. did they fix the Lexicon amps?)
etc.
 
Get the 2009 in Canada.

The version I bought - 2009 V-6 with Premium Package - MSRP on the 2010s went up by $3,000.00!

Dan
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