I've got solid info on the next R Spec sedan

[landtuna]

Since we're all speculating/dreaming, my 2c worth is

• Supercharged and turbocharged V6 3.8L with 470-520 hp and 450+ lb./ft. (like Volvo is doing with the new 2.0L 4 that produces 300hp)
• 7-speed dual-clutch transmission
• Weight loss of 400 lbs. by using aluminum body panels and other weight-saving techniques, including less sound-proofing, forged wheels, and on and on.

I can dream, can't I?

Why not dream yourself up a nice track Ariel Atom? It won't have bluetooth but then you wouldn't be able to hear it anyway.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Why not dream yourself up a nice track Ariel Atom? It won't have bluetooth but then you wouldn't be able to hear it anyway.

Hah! My ears are so damaged already I wouldn't care.

Sigh - how fun an Ariel Atom would be for me, and I wouldn't be able to hear my wife's screams!

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Dead on^ I'd love to see a Polestar Genesis equivalent I was actually going to test drive an S60 R this summer, since I keep hearing that they are amazing.

Volvo is doing impressive things. What I was referring to is:

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/06/05/2015-volvo-s60-t6-drive-e-test-drive/

I think Hyundai should be looking at this concept for extreme power/weight/fuel efficiency in a "built" platform.

R and Polester have always been the real deal.

 

[scottdk]

Volvo is doing impressive things. What I was referring to is:

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/06/05/2015-volvo-s60-t6-drive-e-test-drive/

I think Hyundai should be looking at this concept for extreme power/weight/fuel efficiency in a "built" platform.

R and Polester have always been the real deal.

Thanks for the link I'm probably going to test drive a S60 R next weekend!

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Enjoy!

 

[Midnightsun]

Got an Email from a Journalist I know, he recently was at an event with Ricky Lau

here's what he says about the 2015 R Spec Sedan

( barring they don't go the turbo route - which they still could )

5.5 liter V8 from the Equus used in Korea....... 480hp ( or close to it )

10 speed transmission WITH paddle shifters on the steering wheel

optional AWD

it's coming

It has been stated the AWD version of the 2015 5.0 was not released in USA because of the gas guzzler tax but they will bring in the 5.5 480hp unit? Hmmm, thinking more a TT V6

This entire V8 thing is so stupid. They turbo a V6 and get mega HP and torque out of it and dodge the special taxes yet a tame V8 gets hit because of cylinder count? Give me a break. One day the will realize things need to be calculated by simple hp vs weight ratio to determine the true outcome. Being this is from the government we will probably all be safe for another 50 years before they can actually implement the changes.

 

[DRS]

The youth ought to get their heads put of their butts, and experience a V8.. This .gov promoted and mandated rice burner 4 and 6 piston turbo fad is crazy. These wound up engines do not get better street mileage, lite footing it or not. Non turbo V8s rule...

And as for the sound... Living with a V8 (quiet or set up loud) for a decent length of time, not even rice burning cultists want to go back to the sputtering 4 or 6.

As for the .gov thugs who want to mandate all of us (except for them or their super rich LibJob friends) drive sputtering tinker toys, one day they will reap what they sow.

Oh, pulled up behind a brand new STI over the weekend. Looked nice for being a burner. Smiled at them when they looked through the mirror.. He put the hammer down at about 20mph. I had it in "manual-matic" mode and in the right gear. Again, Genny V8 rules. I ran up his rear, and when opened up changed lanes and passed them by. Mine whooshing by in muted V8 sounding power, and the STI left in full tilt sputtering mode.

Priceless...

 

[Big_tugg]

if they do a R-Spec I think we will be disappointed. Even dodge has entered the 500hp+ terriorty

 

[Cut-Throat]

As for the .gov thugs who want to mandate all of us (except for them or their super rich LibJob friends) drive sputtering tinker toys, one day they will reap what they sow.

That is a very weird idea. I am guessing that you have a Triangle Tin Foil Hat that you wear to Tea Party meetings.

 

[shagnat]

Got an Email from a Journalist I know, he recently was at an event with Ricky Lau

here's what he says about the 2015 R Spec Sedan

( barring they don't go the turbo route - which they still could )

5.5 liter V8 from the Equus used in Korea....... 480hp ( or close to it )

10 speed transmission WITH paddle shifters on the steering wheel

optional AWD

it's coming

hehehehe.......... way to bait this crowd......... gotta' love it!!

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[Dragon64]

hehehehe.......... way to bait this crowd......... gotta' love it!!

There is a strong indication that Hyundai will introduce it's new TT V6 for the upcoming R Spec sedan.

The R Spec should arrive with the new Engine in 2016 or 2017

Expect at least 470 - 480 HP

MPG should be about the same as the new 5.0 with the V8

At this rate - Hyundai will have a true BMW M5 competitor in 10 - 12 years

Maybe less

 

[Dragon64]

Since we're all speculating/dreaming-


This isn't speculation or dreaming

The R spec will be out by the end of 2017 with the new TTV6

Pushing 470 - 480hp

MPG will be about the same as the new Sedan at 23Mpg

Car will have AWD -

It will sport a more aggressive front grill and side skirts

Upgraded wheels and larger tires

Price will come in around 60K

It's coming

 

[carlosinseattle]

Hyundai needs to stick to a V8 on the new R-Spec. If they go to a TT-V6 they will lose a lot of their customers. Not only does more cylinders produce a more appealing sound it also decreases NVH(noise, vibration, harshness).

I had a Mercedes V12 and it was AMAZING, nothing before or since was even close. Too expensive to hold on to after the warranty period, and I can't afford something like that right now. And my most recent car was a 510hp Jaguar XF-R. That supercharged 5.0 V-8 was super smooth and quiet. And it had some type of gated/flapper controlled exhaust so when I stomped the throttle the sound was incredible, but it was still buttery smooth. No V6 can produce that, even with a supercharger or turbocharger.

The buttery smooth nature of the current 429hp V8 is awesome, and its what we've come to expect from a luxury sedan. Luxury car buyers don't want harshness, and you can't escape that with fewer cylinders and/or smaller displacement motors. There one exception is a buyers first time purchasing a luxury car. First time luxury car buyers who haven't experienced something really nice might be willing to buy a nice sedan with an inferior motor, but they won't ever get buyers to switch to Hyundai from other luxury marques. The 333hp V6 they used in the 1st gen sedans was/is awesome; incredibly "torquey" and feels more powerful than its horsepower rating, but it still introduces more NVH than the V8. If they want so attract luxury car buyers who want something sporty they can't use a V6, regardless of power output.


I probably didn't say that very well, sorry for the choppy explanation.

 

[Mark_888]

Hyundai needs to stick to a V8 on the new R-Spec. If they go to a TT-V6 they will lose a lot of their customers. Not only does more cylinders produce a more appealing sound it also decreases NVH(noise, vibration, harshness).

I had a Mercedes V12 and it was AMAZING, nothing before or since was even close. Too expensive to hold on to after the warranty period, and I can't afford something like that right now. And my most recent car was a 510hp Jaguar XF-R. That supercharged 5.0 V-8 was super smooth and quiet. And it had some type of gated/flapper controlled exhaust so when I stomped the throttle the sound was incredible, but it was still buttery smooth. No V6 can produce that, even with a supercharger or turbocharger.

The buttery smooth nature of the current 429hp V8 is awesome, and its what we've come to expect from a luxury sedan. Luxury car buyers don't want harshness, and you can't escape that with fewer cylinders and/or smaller displacement motors. There one exception is a buyers first time purchasing a luxury car. First time luxury car buyers who haven't experienced something really nice might be willing to buy a nice sedan with an inferior motor, but they won't ever get buyers to switch to Hyundai from other luxury marques. The 333hp V6 they used in the 1st Genesis Sedans was/is awesome; incredibly "torquey" and feels more powerful than its horsepower rating, but it still introduces more NVH than the V8. If they want so attract luxury car buyers who want something sporty they can't use a V6, regardless of power output.


I probably didn't say that very well, sorry for the choppy explanation.

The R-Spec is not a luxury car. It is "supposed to be" a sports sedan, with a definite exhaust note, significant road feel, firm suspension, etc. True luxury car buyers don't want those things. When someone purchases an M5, the one thing not on their wish list is "buttery."

 

[carlosinseattle]

The R-Spec is not a luxury car. It is "supposed to be" a sports sedan, with a definite exhaust note, significant road feel, firm suspension, etc. True luxury car buyers don't want those things. When someone purchases an M5, the one thing not on their wish list is "buttery."

I beg to differ. My opinion is that people want the best of both worlds. Buttery smooth power delivery is what true luxury sport sedans offer. An M5 is more harsh than most, but the majority are super smooth and powerful. Just look at the examples from MB, Audi, Jaguar, Cadillac, etc. The M5 IS the M5, nothing else like it. People who want that harshness buy an M5. I bought a XFR, which at the time I bought it had the same HP and more torque than an M5. But the deciding factor was the NVH and the shift programming. here was nothing smooth about the V10 version of the M5; stiff suspension, harsh shifting, too loud, super super complicated electronics, too much steering for city driving, but it was a super track day car. As you know, they have dialed down all those attributes in their newest version.

At $80K or more we want both. But at under $50K you don;t get a complete version of either. The Genesis models are by no means sport sedans, not even close. They are luxury sedans, and the R-Spec offers some sportiness. I don't want to sound like I'm berating you in any way, however I might suggest you try other sport sedans to see what they are like. Even the Infiniti models are much more sporty than the Genesis, especially when it comes to going around a corner. I can literally take a cloverleaf at twice the speed in my wife's stock WRX than I can in my brand new 2014 R-Spec. That is not sporty at all.

 

[flynblind]

I beg to differ. My opinion is that people want the best of both worlds. Buttery smooth power delivery is what true luxury sport sedans offer. An M5 is more harsh than most, but the majority are super smooth and powerful. Just look at the examples from MB, Audi, Jaguar, Cadillac, etc. The M5 IS the M5, nothing else like it. People who want that harshness buy an M5. I bought a XFR, which at the time I bought it had the same HP and more torque than an M5. But the deciding factor was the NVH and the shift programming. here was nothing smooth about the V10 version of the M5; stiff suspension, harsh shifting, too loud, super super complicated electronics, too much steering for city driving, but it was a super track day car. As you know, they have dialed down all those attributes in their newest version.

At $80K or more we want both. But at under $50K you don;t get a complete version of either. The Genesis models are by no means sport sedans, not even close. They are luxury sedans, and the R-Spec offers some sportiness. I don't want to sound like I'm berating you in any way, however I might suggest you try other sport sedans to see what they are like. Even the Infiniti models are much more sporty than the Genesis, especially when it comes to going around a corner. I can literally take a cloverleaf at twice the speed in my wife's stock WRX than I can in my brand new 2014 R-Spec. That is not sporty at all.

Carlos, I was 100% with you right up until you compared the 3000lbs WRX to the 4200lbs RSpec in cornering capabilities. Can you pick a different car to make a good comparison with?

Having owned both the V6 and RSpec variants of the Genesis, I can tell you that the RSpec does add a bit more "sportiness" to the car.

I also don't classify this car as a sports sedan, even though I secretly want to. It is a "premium sedan" (Hyundai's official classification for this vehicle) by all measures, but not a sports sedan.

 

[Mark_888]

The Genesis models are by no means sport sedans, not even close. They are luxury sedans, and the R-Spec offers some sportiness. I don't want to sound like I'm berating you in any way, however I might suggest you try other sport sedans to see what they are like. Even the Infiniti models are much more sporty than the Genesis, especially when it comes to going around a corner. I can literally take a cloverleaf at twice the speed in my wife's stock WRX than I can in my brand new 2014 R-Spec. That is not sporty at all.

I never said the R-Spec sedan is a sports sedan. It "pretended" to be one, but definitely never made it. However, if a new R-Spec sedan is released with a V6 twin turbo (instead of V8) I would say that Hyundai will be trying a little harder this time to achieve the sports sedan recognition. Obviously, we don't know if they will do that, but I can guarantee that if the new R-Spec is a V8, it will be too heavy and unwieldy to be considered a sport sedan by anyone.

 

[scottdk]

Hmmmm, sounds like the next R Spec should offer a small-bore V8 such as a 4.0L TT like the S7 or S8 We'd still get a smooth running V8, but also TT for that extra kick without the engine getting too thirsty.

 

[carlosinseattle]

Flynblind: Ok, yes a better comparison would have been to my previous car, Jaguar XFR. I could corner even faster in that car than my wife's WRX, I just didn't want to use that one as a comparison since it costs so much.

Mark_888: I agree in principle that an engine that provides better mpg is a bonus. Some buyers will not go for a boosted small displacement motor because of the NVH. It's something that has not done well traditionally in this segment. They can work really hard to dial out the NVH, but the technologies that allow for that will drive up the price to the point where it cost nearly the same as a V8. And guys like me, again it comes down to opinion, would not consider purchasing a luxury sports sedan with a V6. But I can imagine that some people would still buy it with a smaller displacement motor.

As long as the fleet numbers remain under the EPA/CAFE mandate they can continue to produce a relatively low MPG vehicle in this segment. Hyundai makes and sells so many small cars that they have the flexibility to produce the Genesis with only respectable MPG numbers.

 

[Mark_888]

Mark_888: I agree in principle that an engine that provides better mpg is a bonus. Some buyers will not go for a boosted small displacement motor because of the NVH. It's something that has not done well traditionally in this segment. They can work really hard to dial out the NVH, but the technologies that allow for that will drive up the price to the point where it cost nearly the same as a V8. And guys like me, again it comes down to opinion, would not consider purchasing a luxury sports sedan with a V6. But I can imagine that some people would still buy it with a smaller displacement motor.

I don't think it is about MPG if Hyundai decides to build another R-Spec sedan. It is about handling and sportiness. The 2015 is already quite a bit heavier than the previous generation, and comparing the 2014 V6 against the 2015 V8, I believe you are talking about 800 lbs difference. That's a lot weight. IMO, that would be the main motivation for possibly using a V6 twin turbo instead of a V8.