I've got solid info on the next R Spec sedan

[DRS]

Again... Nothing wrong with el natural V6 Genny. One of the finest autos around.

 

[DRS]

I owned a V8 powered anything. A 1989 Firebird Formula with a 5.0 V8 getting a whopping 190hp. My 3.8 Genesis with 333hp is the equivalent of an 8.75 liter V8 using the same technology. That V8 also sucked in gas faster than anything else I've owned. Luckily gas was "cheap" back then.



Be careful of the term "anything".

Well, and the V6 of the day was 120hp and 4 was 85hp. So what is the point? You prefer a gas guzzling 120hp V6 back then?

 

[DRS]

Ho-hum. Seems to me the solution is to buy the V6 and just put a sock in your pants when you need to impress.

Cold, but funny.. On the other hand, there might be some long legged mac daddies with V6 that do not need a sock. They just use a sock puppet to talk.

 

[craigt]

Well, and the V6 of the day was 120hp and 4 was 85hp. So what is the point? You prefer a gas guzzling 120hp V6 back then?

You apparently failed in understanding the context of my comment. Nor the term "anything".

I have owned a V8 "anything". It wasn't impressive. My 3.8 V6 is. That's the point.

The Tau V8? It is also impressive. And if Hyundai offered it without the stiffer suspension in the 2013/14 model years, I would have considered it. But lumping it with something I didn't want made it a non-starter.

 

[Mark_888]

He did not listen to one thing I said. Just keeps talking.

The TTV6 with all its cooling and plumbing is NO lighter than a V8 like the TAU. Just ask Ford, now Cadillac. And the Germans have the same issue... Their TT V6 rice tuner motors are as heavy as any TAU.

The weight increase of the V8 ultimate is mostly from all the add on stuff I mentioned above. A V6 ultimate is heavier than the base.

The V8 chassis is destined for More horsepower and higher speeds and feeds. And has more bracing and heavier components for the higher horsepower. Any TTV6 would have the same chassis.

Again, the GDI TT V6, using what is available today, would be as heavy as the Tau V8.

This is really a battle of two cultures. One are the sharp tongued tuner types who must like the sputtering low displacement motors better than a V8. Ok, so what.

And then we have those who relish the sound of a refined or loud V8, and disprove the false conventional wisdom of tuner card being better.

I hope the V8 factions win to keep aggressive V8 development (natural and blown) within Hyundai. This is a big competitive advantage of theirs... Assuming new potential customers who come from high strung factory attempts as tuners, give the V8 a serious look. Add the rest of is that know better, they will sell lots of higher end cars and gather a world wide top reputation.

1. The Tau V8 is 200 lbs heavier than the Lambda V6 for 2009-2014 MY's. Not 100% sure about 2015 because of all the other stuff and different trim levels makes it hard to calculate. Maybe the other manufacturer V6 Twin Turbo are as heavy as their V8's, but that doesn't necessarily mean the same would be true for the Genesis engines. 200 lbs of TT add-on equipment seems like a lot.
2. You are wrong about cultures. I personally don't care what engine is included in the next R-Spec. I will not be purchasing an R-Spec regardless of what engine it has. Ever. Read My Lips. I don't care.
3. I was merely responding to a rumor posted by someone else that the next R-Spec may very well include a V6 TT. I was merely trying to analyze the likelihood of that happening. I personally don't care. So your whole line of argument that I am trying to push some kind of agenda is absurd.

 

[geops]

Since you're not going to buy a TT V6 or a V8 why stir the pot in a R-Spec thread? This thread is for people that are actually interested in the direction the R-Spec is heading.

 

[Mark_888]

Since you're not going to buy a TT V6 or a V8 why stir the pot in a R-Spec thread? This thread is for people that are actually interested in the direction the R-Spec is heading.

1. I am not stirring the pot. Someone else claimed they had information that it might be V6 TT. I gave some reasons why that makes sense, but obviously I don't know what Hyundai will do, or whether they actually will release a Genesis Sedan R-Spec. If the next R-Spec is going to be a 5.0 V8, what's the delay for?
2. Just because I don't plan on buying one, doesn't mean I have no interest in hearing about it. Being a current Genesis owner, and a potential buyer of a new Genesis, I am interested in hearing about all the trim levels, even those I might not buy. I am sure just about everyone has visited manufacturer websites and looked at models they have no intention of buying.
3. It's not up to you to decide what this thread is for.

 

[geops]

1. I am not stirring the pot. Someone else claimed they had information that it might be V6 TT. I gave some reasons why that makes sense, but obviously I don't know what Hyundai will do, or whether they actually will release a Genesis Sedan R-Spec. If the next R-Spec is going to be a 5.0 V8, what's the delay for?
2. Just because I don't plan on buying one, doesn't mean I have no interest in hearing about it. Being a current Genesis owner, and a potential buyer of a new Genesis, I am interested in hearing about all the trim levels, even those I might not buy. I am sure just about everyone has visited manufacturer websites and looked at models they have no intention of buying.
3. It's not up to you to decide what this thread is for.

The name says it all but you clearly want to keep up the drama...

 

[carlosinseattle]

I'm going to ignore the pot, since it clearly has been stirred.

We should base our expectations on this video they made about the current Genesis as a guide to what Hyundai feels about what the Genesis is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ck3mbTVrA

If they simply improve it in all the areas mentioned in the video we will have an even better version of an already incredibly car.

I actually only want two improvements: 1. Blind spot detection. 2. Special feature where it carries the groceries in the kitchen when my wife arrives with her SUV loaded from shopping at Costco

 

[zielritter]

We V8 fans bring balance to the troll V6 "bigots". Like a V6, great... Genny V6 is one of the best in the world as it sits IMO. "Bigots" of sputtering factory tuner V6 and I4s, that bring their metrosexual views on V8s will get a response by those who understand the benefits of el natural and boosted V8s.

+1 that S8 was viewed as a sports sedan. Amazing one.

I can't even finish this thread without responding to you. You are one of the most bizarrely offensive, narrow-minded posters on this site I've seen. You remind of the old men that post on political blogs that can only see things as black and white. You probably call Obama "Obozo" or "Obummer" too, right?

Your constant blanket categorization of "millennials" (i'm not even in that category, btw) as "hipsters" or "kids" and acting like they are out to socialize America and rob you of your big displacement engine cars is absurd at best and ignorant at worst.

Please try to act your age (old obviously) and keep comments constructive.

PS: Where the hell do you get off saying that it's "rumor" that a turbo car won't get better mileage than the equivalent powered V8. That's a bold claim.

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[craigt]

Can someone pass the popcorn?

 

[zielritter]

Can someone pass the popcorn?

I'm sorry, as a metrosexual male (presumably all males under the age of 30) my disdain for all things representing the traditional fabric of American culture prohibits me from eating popcorn.

 

[dareckibmw]

Can someone pass the popcorn?

Here ya go, my friend

 

[Mark_888]

The name says it all but you clearly want to keep up the drama...

Let me give you some advice. If you don't want me to respond to your post, don't ask me any questions in yours.

 

[DRS]

You apparently failed in understanding the context of my comment. Nor the term "anything".



I have owned a V8 "anything". It wasn't impressive. My 3.8 V6 is. That's the point.



The Tau V8? It is also impressive. And if Hyundai offered it without the stiffer suspension in the 2013/14 model years, I would have considered it. But lumping it with something I didn't want made it a non-starter.

I understand now.

 

[DRS]

1. The Tau V8 is 200 lbs heavier than the Lambda V6 for 2009-2014 MY's. Not 100% sure about 2015 because of all the other stuff and different trim levels makes it hard to calculate. Maybe the other manufacturer V6 Twin Turbo are as heavy as their V8's, but that doesn't necessarily mean the same would be true for the Genesis engines. 200 lbs of TT add-on equipment seems like a lot.
   
2. You are wrong about cultures. I personally don't care what engine is included in the next R-Spec. I will not be purchasing an R-Spec regardless of what engine it has. Ever. Read My Lips. I don't care.
   
3. I was merely responding to a rumor posted by someone else that the next R-Spec may very well include a V6 TT. I was merely trying to analyze the likelihood of that happening. I personally don't care. So your whole line of argument that I am trying to push some kind of agenda is absurd.

Good, on the no agenda. Glad that is straight.

200lbs is easy to see as a add on for a TT. The extra frame stiffeners will be in place like the gen 2 V8. The inter cooler will be at least 40lbs itself, let alone all the piping, turbos, heavier exhaust manifold gear. 200lbs will be easy to get to with a TT.

 

[DRS]

Since you're not going to buy a TT V6 or a V8 why stir the pot in a R-Spec thread? This thread is for people that are actually interested in the direction the R-Spec is heading.

^^ +1

 

[DRS]

I can't even finish this thread without responding to you. You are one of the most bizarrely offensive, narrow-minded posters on this site I've seen. You remind of the old men that post on political blogs that can only see things as black and white. You probably call Obama "Obozo" or "Obummer" too, right?

Your constant blanket categorization of "millennials" (i'm not even in that category, btw) as "hipsters" or "kids" and acting like they are out to socialize America and rob you of your big displacement engine cars is absurd at best and ignorant at worst.

Please try to act your age (old obviously) and keep comments constructive.

PS: Where the hell do you get off saying that it's "rumor" that a turbo car won't get better mileage than the equivalent powered V8. That's a bold claim.

If the shoe fits for you, wear it proudly.

I am sick and tired of the millennials and their nose up crap... Yes, they can be upset at us who are older for being morons as it relates to not holding onto a Constitutional form of limited government. We have left a mess. So some anger is allowed. As for Obama the drone, and his handlers... No nick names need apply. His actions speak loudly.

And yes, the hipsters and age racists of those younger, do want to rob us of what you say and more.

Where do I get off on my prediction? More history experienced? Has always been the case, and is today.

Let's see just a few examples. The el natural 2.5 4 for Ford get same mileage than its equal "ecoboost" of same horsepower and smaller displacement. The el natural 3.7 V6 in the 2015 Mustang gets the same or better mileage as the new turbo 4 version of similar power. The 3.5 EcoBoost gets only one MPG better on highway than the 5.0. And in real world under load worse town or highway.

I am sure others can relate to other brands with the same problem. All the expense and complexity of the turbos for little or no gain. A few less grams of CO2 per mile, and satisfying a youth brought up on sputtering tuner turbos, I believe is not a winner. Once a millennial lives with a modern el natural engine especially a V8, they will see/feel/hear what all youth have since the flathead V8. They will be converted.


Another analogy... Once a woman or a metro get the chance to really experience firearms live, their smile is as large as they have had in their lives. Let's see if this statement brings put some more fangs.

 

[DRS]

Oh, and I do like the Tesla. One of the best out there today. Considering one for my business use.. Amazing car and good image.. So, we "old guys" make our decisions on not what is a fad, but what we think lives in excellence and feels right. Easy to like the Tesla as a possible choice based on that. Not as a political or lemming fad, but opinion something that lives in excellence.

 

[DRS]

Small part of weight increase is the wheels and tires. If my 19"s with Blizzaks are an indication, at least 15 lbs per wheel combo compared to 18"s I have. So, 2015 ultimate V8 difference I would bet the tire/wheels add some weight.