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[leadfoot rspec13]

DRS. You certainly tell it like it is, sir.

As for your Tesla, you are right. Nothing will out accelerate that beast. We have a VP here who owns one.

For business use, I'm guessing you never travel more than 300 miles. Beyond that, you'll have to pop the spinnaker and hope for a tail wind.

Funny note: I had a look at the Tesla build sheet and was completely baffled by the inclusion of a "super-charger". How in Hades can you supercharge an electric motor?

Anybody? (I know the answer..........now.)

 

[DRS]

^^^ +1 on parts of the comment.

Ok... Supercharger: 200+ amp charging system. Full 300 mile charge in under an hour. 80 amp in the house charging system that does full charge in a few hours.

I have supercharging stations provided by Tesla (free!) along most of my work travels. So, no sail required. Take a 20 minutes nap, or eating break and ready to go. Speaking of nap... Run the environmental and entertainment systems in the car whole charging. Take a nap or catch up on the internet or a TV show while charging.

With the cost of electricity at home a "full tank for 250-300 miles costs about $3. At a supercharger station FREE. I could take the Tesla across the country right now and have a supercharger station anytime needing a top off. No stops beyond the time to go to a gas station. Also , the southern route to Florida will be complete by late fall or winter.

 

[DRS]

Oh , 4024 foot pounds of torque available from 0mph on... And 400+ hp. Most consumer dynos tap out at 2000 foot pound measurement. Fun to see the videos maxing them out.

 

[DRS]

Super charging had dual charging system. And set up for dual 40amp lines in the house. And one gets all the adapters for standard based 30-40 amp public stations, oven style home 220, and of course 120 up to 20-30 amp.

There is a system in the navigation display that also shows all people who publish their own charging stations available to others. Plus lists all Tesla stations and other public stations.

If one figures the gas cost verses electric cost, no maintain cost, the car is lowers the TCO way down to about Camry status.

 

[DRS]

Many liberal Tesla owners are as snotty as a stuck up BMW owner. Which to too bad. Powder puff secular moralists invade all good places and inventions.

 

[geops]

If a good Tesla S didn't cost $100K, I would be driving one now. Sadly, I can't afford it and I'm guessing most genesis owners also can't.

 

[zielritter]

If the shoe fits for you, wear it proudly.

I am sick and tired of the millennials and their nose up crap... Yes, they can be upset at us who are older for being morons as it relates to not holding onto a Constitutional form of limited government. We have left a mess. So some anger is allowed. As for Obama the drone, and his handlers... No nick names need apply. His actions speak loudly.

And yes, the hipsters and age racists of those younger, do want to rob us of what you say and more.

Where do I get off on my prediction? More history experienced? Has always been the case, and is today.

Let's see just a few examples. The el natural 2.5 4 for Ford get same mileage than its equal "ecoboost" of same horsepower and smaller displacement. The el natural 3.7 V6 in the 2015 Mustang gets the same or better mileage as the new turbo 4 version of similar power. The 3.5 EcoBoost gets only one MPG better on highway than the 5.0. And in real world under load worse town or highway.

I am sure others can relate to other brands with the same problem. All the expense and complexity of the turbos for little or no gain. A few less grams of CO2 per mile, and satisfying a youth brought up on sputtering tuner turbos, I believe is not a winner. Once a millennial lives with a modern el natural engine especially a V8, they will see/feel/hear what all youth have since the flathead V8. They will be converted.


Another analogy... Once a woman or a metro get the chance to really experience firearms live, their smile is as large as they have had in their lives. Let's see if this statement brings put some more fangs.

This isn't a political forum, so I won't perpetuate this madness beyond this last post, but this is the type of dichotomous thinking that holds this country back. The world will be a better place when that generation no longer has any power.

Age racist (do we hate dark skinned old people too?)? Powder puff secular moralists? Just listen to how silly you sound. Turn off Fox News and think for yourself instead of using their goofy inflammatory buzz words.

 

[Dimitry]

The next "R-Spec" should have a dual clutch tranny, along with a bi-turbo system like the N63/S63 engine variants BMW has. At 500 HP it should push between 4-4.5 0-60. If 560 HP is matched much like the M5, it'll be sub 4 seconds.

A similarly equipped M5 would be around 110. I'd expect this variant of the Genesis to be 65. Maybe we'll see a new angry bosses for the superbowl when that happens

 

[EXBMWGUY]

This isn't a political forum, so I won't perpetuate this madness beyond this last post, but this is the type of dichotomous thinking that holds this country back. The world will be a better place when that generation no longer has any power.

Age racist (do we hate dark skinned old people too?)? Powder puff secular moralists? Just listen to how silly you sound. Turn off Fox News and think for yourself instead of using their goofy inflammatory buzz words.

And exactly who is using inflammatory buzz words and "not perpetuating this madness?"
You and I could have a very long conversation about generational differences and what the progressives have been doing to "make the world a better place."

 

[zielritter]

And exactly who is using inflammatory buzz words and "not perpetuating this madness?"
You and I could have a very long conversation about generational differences and what the progressives have been doing to "make the world a better place."

And you and I could have an equally long conversation about what the conservative right and their embracing of the evangelical voting base has done to "make the world a better place." Neither side gives a f*ck about you and I - something that is lost on a lot of brainwashed individuals of the older generations.

Like I said, not the right arena to have this discussion. My point is just because you're older doesn't inherently validate your belief system.

When someone comes in here acting self-righteous spouting off their guns, God, and government bullsh*t that Sean Hannity told them they should be angry about, I get a little peeved. Especially when they are clearly targeting people near or in my generation as the catalyst for a new world order that's going to ruin good 'ole 'murican values.

That's not "telling it how it is". That's being closed minded and lemming-like.

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[leadfoot rspec13]

Hmmmm, last I looked, this was a Genesis owner's forum. I monitored this group long before joining and received some great advice on modifications to my coupe prior to picking up my sedan.

This isn't meant to be about black or white, young or old, left or right. The common denominator is the car.

I respect the advice of everyone in this group. We are all well versed in particular subjects and not so much in others. It's that time we seek the experience of those who've been there and provide help to those reaching out.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Let's try to remember why we're all here. Otherwise we'll give the appearance that we're not all there.

 

[DRS]

And exactly who is using inflammatory buzz words and "not perpetuating this madness?"
You and I could have a very long conversation about generational differences and what the progressives have been doing to "make the world a better place."

^^ +1 but will he listen?

 

[DRS]

And you and I could have an equally long conversation about what the conservative right and their embracing of the evangelical voting base has done to "make the world a better place." Neither side gives a f*ck about you and I - something that is lost on a lot of brainwashed individuals of the older generations.



Like I said, not the right arena to have this discussion. My point is just because you're older doesn't inherently validate your belief system.



When someone comes in here acting self-righteous spouting off their guns, God, and government bullsh*t that Sean Hannity told them they should be angry about, I get a little peeved. Especially when they are clearly targeting people near or in my generation as the catalyst for a new world order that's going to ruin good 'ole 'murican values.



That's not "telling it how it is". That's being closed minded and lemming-like.

Talk about being a lemming... Wake up.

 

[DRS]

Ok, going back to common ground. The great Genny. So long as it does not turn into a sputtering tuner machine.

 

[leadfoot rspec13]

+1^

All hail TAU and his wonderful creation!

 

[427435]

The Genesis will continue to have a V8 option as long as the Equus has a V8. And an Equus with only a V6 isn't in the cards any time soon.

And by the way, not all us old-farts agree with DRS's political views---------thankfully.

 

[zielritter]

Hyundai's next gen turbo engines seem to be showing incremental improvements in fuel economy over the equivalent base level GDI-alone configuration. At least this is the case with the new Sonata and it's 1.6l turbo.

http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2015/?tab-id=reviews-tab#overview-pod-anchor

If I recall, this is the first time we've seen Hyundai put a turbo in an "eco" model rather than the step-up model (e.g. Veloster turbo and Sonata 2.0t). I don't count the beefed up twin-scroll turbo on the Coupe, even though it's technically a base model, as I think their aim was to make the base more class competitive while keeping economy near the previous turbo.

I think this is further proof of concept that Hyundai's engineers (aka the Korean hipster king-pins) believe a forced induction engine is the ideal way to maintain respectable power/torque and have superior MPG to the equivalently powered NA engine.

Even if it's just city MPG, like with the Sonata, every little bit counts. If they are now replacing their economy trim's power plant with a turbo, I think that puts to bed the fuel economy argument.

There's nothing stopping them from putting a 3.3l turbo Lambda in the R-Spec Sedan if they want to increase power (especially torque) and economy. They now have juggle the nostalgia influenced client base against those who want to conserve a bit more fuel while not giving up performance.

Sputtering turbo, rice-burning, .gov mandated, etc. cars ftw.

 

[geops]

You guys keep on counting the turbo HP and torque as if it's a constant. I'll give you a simple example - I live in Louisiana where we have summer most of the year. I had turbo cars and as soon as the temp hits over 90F that turbo becomes absolutely useless and the car becomes sluggish as hell. I am never again buying a turbo-charged car. The NA V8 looses a lot less power in the heat compared to the turbo engines. If you live in the perfect climate (for an engine) maybe a turbo could be better but that's not the case everywhere. If the only thing you're looking for is fuel-economy then turbo might be the way to go - I am not in that boat.

 

[zielritter]

You guys keep on counting the turbo HP and torque as if it's a constant. I'll give you a simple example - I live in Louisiana where we have summer most of the year. I had turbo cars and as soon as the temp hits over 90F that turbo becomes absolutely useless and the car becomes sluggish as hell. I am never again buying a turbo-charged car. The NA V8 looses a lot less power in the heat compared to the turbo engines. If you live in the perfect climate (for an engine) maybe a turbo could be better but that's not the case everywhere. If the only thing you're looking for is fuel-economy then turbo might be the way to go - I am not in that boat.

Can that be rectified with a better executed intercooler? I know an intercooler can only go so far, but that has to be within the considerations of engineers who are designing a car that will be driven in sub-tropical climates. What model/year were your turbo cars? Just curious as I've not had the chance to own one. Not many places in the US experience the heat and humidity that you guys get down there.

Incidentally - my V6 gets sluggish as soon as the temperature goes over 80. It's very noticeable to me - especially when it occurs on the way home after mornings have been in the lower 60's recently. Engine pulls much harder than the "1% per 10 degrees rule" would imply. And that's with a nicely designed heat-shield that has "cool" air venting into it.

The Genesis seems much more heat sensitive than other, smaller displacement engined vehicles I've driven in the past.

 

[amartz]

And by the way, not all us old-farts agree with DRS's political views---------thankfully.

I always liked the saying I've heard attributed to Winston Churchill:

If you're 20 and not a liberal, you don't have a heart.
If you're 40 and not a conservative, you don't have a brain....