Mobile 1 Extended Performance (Oil Preference?)

[ASHDUMP]

Who any of you use the Mobile 1 Extended Performance in the Genesis? It says it is good for up to 15,000 or 1 year. Would you let it go that long?

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Extended_Performance.aspx


What is everyone preference strictly for the Genesis? Synthetic or Conventional? Brands used?

 

[mluketic]

I've been using Mobil1 Extended Performance in all of my vehicles since it was introduced a few years ago. In my opinion - it's great oil. The longest I've gone between changes is about 12,000 miles in my wife's Lincoln LS. I will use it in my v8 Genesis when the time comes for it's first oil change.

 

[Mark_888]

It is a very good synthetic oil, but you cannot use it the Genesis for more than 7500 miles without possibly voiding the warranty.

I would not have any problem going 10,000 -12,000 miles on car not under warranty with that oil. I don't think 15,000 miles will cause a problem, but I am a bit conservative when it comes to oil change intervals.

 

[OBCT]

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I'm a newly minted synthetic (specifically Amsoil) guy. I'd like to think that I know a lot about the subject, but I really do not. I did a lot of reading, though (mostly on car forums like this all over the place) and believe I made an informed choice. I've always said, if you don't have an informed opinion about something and want to form one quickly, take random samples from as many enthusiasts from as many different places as possible, and use that as your baseline. That's what I did.

Whether or not synthetic oil is really worthwhile in this day and age, and specifically, in this car, is certainly debatable. Sure, there are stress tests that indicate it's superiority in some fundamental areas (moreso for some than others), but most of those circumstances are only likely to occur in abnormal operating conditions for average drivers, the benefits may not truly prove cost-effective over time.

For me, the choice to use Amsoil in the Genesis (over stock anything) basically comes down to two main factors. #1. I plan to keep the car a long time; the benefits are more likely to manifest themselves at high mileage. #2. I believe engine oil is fundamentally very important in the smooth operation of the machine as a whole, and the piece of mind that I'm using very good oil is worth the increased cost to me. Another minor point is that I am likely to do significant cold winter driving in this car during it's lifetime (for various reasons), and I know how difficult it can be for a high mileage vehicle to turn over in the morning, in the dead of winter, up north, with "lesser" oil.


As for miles between oil changes... I'll be sticking to the 7500 mi Hyundai warranty limit. I'll go into the dealer every 5000-7500 mi (hopefully not more often) and get the whole deal done -- general inspection and maintenance as well as a change of oil, of my choosing.

I know there are synthetic oils that can hold up to 25000+ mi of regular driving between changes, and I think that those brands willing to stand behind products under those kinds of conditions must manufacture very good oil. I don't need that kind of oil. Still, I'm happy to spend a slight premium on oil that may or may not be overkill. If nothing else, the Tau deserves some pampering.

 

[jwaters943]

I've been using Castrol Edge and like it, although I'm not sure I noticed any difference from conventional. To really see if it has any benefit I'd probably need to have the oil analyzed. Also, I don't think it's good to run 15k miles between oil changes without changing the filter. The OEM oil filter's performance probably starts to degrade significantly after 7-8k miles.

 

[ASHDUMP]

Are you guys strictly using KIA/Hyundai OEM oil filters or are you using other brands? I have a body shop right next door to me so I'd like to purchase my oil and have him install it. I would also like to provide the filter for piece of mind but don't want to buy one from my dealer because it is far away.

Any suggestions? Also, where did you buy your Amsoil?

BJ's Wholesale Club has Mobile 1 for $35 and Shell Synthetic for $25...

 

[dataguy]

I'm doing synthetic at the dealer, and will probably push 6-7K miles per change from here on out. If I bring my own oil, the charge is about $15 or so for the filter, labor, and multi-point inspection. I got Mobil 1 oil at Costco for about $24 a case with a coupon, so it's pretty cheap.

 

[TJPark01]

Are you guys strictly using KIA/Hyundai OEM oil filters or are you using other brands?

Stick with the OEM filters. They come with a couple gaskets you're gonna need for the filter housing, I wouldn't be messing with aftermarket filters. As far as Mobil 1 Extended goes, yes it's a superior product, for sure. But you have to ask yourself is it worth 3 or 4 times the cost of conventional. For most people that answer is, No.
Mileage is the second worse measure of oil change needs, everything else is first. It's an average, a ball park. The conditions and driving habits in North America are so varied they just try and give you an average. If you're anal about changing your oil 3 or 4 times a year than regular oil is fine. If you are busy or lazy about it and do it once a year then the M1EP is probably a better call for you.

 

[Mark_888]

Last time I was at Walmart, Mobil 1 was $22 for a 5-quart jug, and Mobil 1 Extended Performance was $26. That is about twice the price of conventional oil. M1 sometimes has promotions on their website (I have received 2 $10 mail-in rebates). Not sure if they are still available. Check their website (promotions).

 

[wallymn]

I am a mobil 1 fan (interesting no one has reported quaker state which is recommended by Hyundai)

Interval changes during the year and based on driving, generally between 3-5 k.

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[jwaters943]

Stick with the OEM filters. They come with a couple gaskets you're gonna need for the filter housing, I wouldn't be messing with aftermarket filters. As far as Mobil 1 Extended goes, yes it's a superior product, for sure. But you have to ask yourself is it worth 3 or 4 times the cost of conventional. For most people that answer is, No.
Mileage is the second worse measure of oil change needs, everything else is first. It's an average, a ball park. The conditions and driving habits in North America are so varied they just try and give you an average. If you're anal about changing your oil 3 or 4 times a year than regular oil is fine. If you are busy or lazy about it and do it once a year then the M1EP is probably a better call for you.

I am by no means an expert in this area, but I've heard the OEM Hyundai oil filters are pretty low quality. Last I checked there wasn't even an aftermarket option for the Genesis so it's a bit of a moot point anyway.

 

[TJPark01]

I am by no means an expert in this area, but I've heard the OEM Hyundai oil filters are pretty low quality. Last I checked there wasn't even an aftermarket option for the Genesis so it's a bit of a moot point anyway.

There have been a few people who have tried to breakdown oil filter quality by sawing open about a dozen of them and judging them on unscientific criteria such as thickness of filter element, whether they are paper or cellulose, bypass valves, construction weight of canisters,etc, etc...Since there isn't that much variance in price, and often times the OEM are the same if not cheaper than aftermarkets, why would you gamble?
What's the best oil filter on the market? The one that was designed for that engine. For the record the OEM filter for the Genesis is made by Mahle who designed the whole oil housing for that engine. Many companies use them including BMW, Audi and Mercedes.

 

[CUMan]

Aftermarket oil filters are available for the Genesis. Wix has one available, #57250. The Wix site indicates that this is the number for the V6. It indicates that the correct number for the V8 is 57042. As I understand, the engines use the same filter. The different Wix number may involve different gaskets.

This filter (#57250) is available at Rock Auto for $4.45. Locally, it is available at O'Reilly Auto Parts for $6.29. The local price is not that different from what the dealer charges, so I have bought mine from the dealer.

Purolator also lists a filter for the Genesis, #L25848. However, I have not been able to find these locally at any of the places that sell Purolator. The Purolator site indicates that the same filter is used on both the 6 and 8.

 

[TJPark01]

Aftermarket oil filters are available for the Genesis. Wix has one available, #57250. The Wix site indicates that this is the number for the V6. It indicates that the correct number for the V8 is 57042.

The filters you mention are probably fine to use on the car, and you'd probably never know the difference. But if you're gonna drop a lot of money on a car, why mess with something that is gonna prove no monetary or performance benefit? The filters may look the same in terms of size but it's just not a gamble I'm willing to take for a few bucks...

Mahle Oil Filters

 

[ASHDUMP]

Since my dealer isn't close by, do you think your average joe mechanic would have this filter or one that would fit?

Does anyone recommend a specific website to order filters for the Genesis. I could order some from my dealer but that seems like more could go wrong than just, Point, Click and Ship.

 

[Mark_888]

I am a mobil 1 fan (interesting no one has reported quaker state which is recommended by Hyundai).

Surely you don't think that Hyundai actually thinks that Quaker State is better than other oils. Give me a break.

BTW, Quaker State and Pennzoil are both part of Royal Dutch Shell Group.

 

[Mark_888]

I could order some from my dealer but that seems like more could go wrong than just, Point, Click and Ship.

What does that mean?

 

[ASHDUMP]

Like making a phone call, talking to the answering lady, waiting on hold for parts department, getting someone on the phone while hearing all kinds of jibba jabba in the background, making the order with the parts guy, telling them where I live, giving my credit card number over the phone, waiting for the order to go through, then actually waiting for the product to ship with no tracking.

I'd rather just go to a good (www) and Point my mouse, Click my mouse, and see my order Ship.

 

[TJPark01]

Since my dealer isn't close by, do you think your average joe mechanic would have this filter or one that would fit?

Does anyone recommend a specific website to order filters for the Genesis. I could order some from my dealer but that seems like more could go wrong than just, Point, Click and Ship.

Joe Mechanic will not have these filters or the gaskets that come with it.

 

[sandy]

Here's how I look at it... let's say we owned a car company; we're going to guarantee the motor for 10 years or 100,000 miles....so if anything goees wrong WE have to pay repair or replacement costs. To keep our losses to a minimum, we'll give the owner a schedule he has to follow for oil changes to keep the guarantee valid. To further protect ourselves, let's make the schedule conservative and require oil changes at an earlier milage than is required under normal driving conditions. Thanks to advances made in modern lubricants, 10,000 miles between oil changes has proven sufficient** but we will require changes at 7500 to provide a margin for error. And while synthetics have merit, our engineering experts say using regular oil will provide all the protection needed to keep these motors running trouble free for at least our 100,000 mile liability period.

Some of our happy customers may want to change oil more often or use premium types of oil. Essentially, they will be doing this because it makes them feel good, and there's nothing wrong with that.


** as was called for by the mfg in my 00 XJ8 Jaguar and 03 and 06 Saab turbos's