Other cool cars like the G70

[Slip_Angle]

I think (hope) it's just a matter of time for manufactures to get better and making EVs with soul. They will continuously improve as time goes on and makers will need to do things to set their EVs apart from the others.

 

[SuperKing]

I've driven a few Model S... it's a one trick pony... sure it pins you into the seat but that's about it... as a car, it's meh... it gave me no joy driving it. At least some of the performance EVs like the AMG EQS started to put sounds back into the car. A car that goes like that should stimulate all the senses... otherwise, it's a snoozer.

Anyone know what the true 0-60 time is for the Plaid? Tesla's claimed 1.99 is with rollout subtracted. I don't think it's possible to get it under 2s, gas powered cars have been stuck around the 2s mark for a while no matter how much power you throw at it. Problem is the tires.

If I were to buy an EV today, it'd have to be the Lucid Air. At least that's not a 10 year old design.

 

[Aquineas]

I can't comment on the soul thing as honestly I've never driven a Tesla, but if I played and hit the Lotto it would be a Lucid Air all day long. But I'd still have an order in for a factory delivery ZR-1 whenever they come out.

 

[Aquineas]

Sounds like the new Nissan Z is going to be a handful for an unchipped G70. I love that they've priced it so much lower than the Supra. I'm not a huge fan of the looks though (actually, I can't stand the looks if I'm honest). But in the stoplight wars, it looks tres formidable.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Yeah, looks quick but different class altogether.. like the Supra.

That front end is brutal

 

[Aquineas]

Man if they'd borrowed more from the Z32 Z (which subjectively speaking was hands-down the best-looking Z car by a longshot) it would be a killer hit. It may end up being a killer hit anyway, but there's nothing like a car that's quick as well as gorgeous, rather than quick and kinda weird looking.

 

[jetrep]

I think the new Z looks pretty good. I couldn't care less if it's faster than the G70...if acceleration was that important to me I wouldn't have bought the G70 to begin with.

 

[JCtx]

I say no way the Plaid does less than 2 sec, at least on the streets. Maybe a specially prepped track surface, but not the street. I had a hard time launching a regular S performance, which reportedly does 2.4 sec. It was sliding all over the place in Austin, and it was HOT. I estimate it did maybe 2.6. But it does launch like stink. It's nice to be able to accelerate that quickly almost silently, but it's kind of soulless at the same time, like somebody mentioned. Ha ha. I'm glad I was able to actually make money on my Tesla ($3.5K after all expenses, even including the 240V outlet I had to install in my house), but I'm not going to buy another. Want something more reliable, and less weird. And with ventilated seats, and no freaking 12V battery that when it goes bad, you're left stranded (I know how to overcome that, but it's a hassle). And an HVAC that actually works, not the POS Tesla puts on its vehicles. And yes, I also think the Lucid Air is the best luxury EV car at the moment overall. If the Taycan had that range (or close), that'd be my pick instead. But I'd buy either of those over the Tesla easy. And maybe even the E-Tron.

 

[SuperKing]

It can't do sub 2 seconds... at least not in the normal world. A world where the streets aren't covered with glue and nobody waits at a red light for your batteries to warm up and get into cheetah stance...

That's how Tesla gets the sub 2 seconds that Tesla claims... and even then, it's with rollout subtracted. On the website, the Plaid is listed with rollout subtracted but the non Plaid models are not... what gives... why move the goal post?

 

[Slip_Angle]

I say no way the Plaid does less than 2 sec, at least on the streets. Maybe a specially prepped track surface, but not the street. I had a hard time launching a regular S performance, which reportedly does 2.4 sec. It was sliding all over the place in Austin, and it was HOT. I estimate it did maybe 2.6. But it does launch like stink. It's nice to be able to accelerate that quickly almost silently, but it's kind of soulless at the same time, like somebody mentioned. Ha ha. I'm glad I was able to actually make money on my Tesla ($3.5K after all expenses, even including the 240V outlet I had to install in my house), but I'm not going to buy another. Want something more reliable, and less weird. And with ventilated seats, and no freaking 12V battery that when it goes bad, you're left stranded (I know how to overcome that, but it's a hassle). And an HVAC that actually works, not the POS Tesla puts on its vehicles. And yes, I also think the Lucid Air is the best luxury EV car at the moment overall. If the Taycan had that range (or close), that'd be my pick instead. But I'd buy either of those over the Tesla easy. And maybe even the E-Tron.

The G70 isn't know as a car with tons of "soul" just in terms of exhaust note but what's your opinion on how it compares to the Tesla for "character"?

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[JCtx]

The G70 isn't know as a car with tons of "soul" just in terms of exhaust note but what's your opinion on how it compares to the Tesla for "character"?

I don't have it yet (it was supposed to arrive today, but it didn't), but I can tell you already, even without having driven one yet, that I'll like the G70 better . The Tesla actually drives quite nicely, but it has zero character IMO. It's just an appliance to get from point A to point B, and quickly, if you want. But that's about it. The interior is not my thing at all; always felt super weird when driving it. Tech is subpar at best. And they're quite noisy; even more than the G70, I'm sure. The G70 looks cozy and luxurious, which is the way I like it. It's actually 0.4" shorter than the Tesla overall, so it should feel quite similar in size. I'll let you know my impression once I have the chance to drive it. Hopefully this week .

 

[Aquineas]

The G70 isn't know as a car with tons of "soul" just in terms of exhaust note but what's your opinion on how it compares to the Tesla for "character"?

I think the G70 has a ton of character, but only in sport mode. From the extremely direct throttle-mapping to the handling to the sound the engine makes (both artificial as well as real), everything about it seems to encourage you to drive a lot faster than you should. The G70 is not a perfect vehicle by any means. It's not the fastest, it's not the most luxurious, it doesn't handle the road course the best, but it does enough of those things well that you actually love this car after a while.

It's also built well enough that 10 years down the line there will be so many of these that are heavily modded that no one will ever want to challenge one a G70 in a stoplight derby lol. We're only at about the second round of modding. Wait until people start breaking open the engine, but that's not going to happen with cars still under warranty.

With that being said though, honestly I want a C8, and circa 2024, that's likely my next (and possibly last) car.

 

[Husky]

I can't resist tossing this in, even though it's in a different category of vehicle. We're visiting California for a week and got a ride in our son's Rivian R1T. OMG The acceleration is like nothing I've ever felt before, and it just keeps going. I got a weird feeling in my guts and chest - I think it was the air being forced out of my lungs, haha. He surprised there hell out of an Audi RS5 who was expecting to humiliate a pickup truck. Today I'll get to drive it myself.

 

[Volfy]

IMO, with the new Z, GR86, and 6MT GR Supra, (relatively) affordable sportcars seems to be making a comeback. Mazda is coming our with inline6-powered RWD platforms that are directly aimed at competing with the Genesis gameplay. The replacement Mazda6 sounds to be going head to head with the G70. Maybe it's a last gasp for ICE glory, before permanently drown out by EVs, but the coming years seems to be a good time to be a sport (or sporty) car enthusiast. I would just have to guess this latest trend doesn't go un-noticed by Hyundai/Genesis/Kia. There has been spy shots of a mid-engine car, using Kia Stinger as the test mule. Some speculate it will be badged under the Hyundai's N banner as the performance brand's halo car. Personally, I'm betting a Genesis Coupe revival is more likely... or at least as likely. All this shows that the G70/Stinger platform plays an outsized part in Hyundai corporate's performance car development.

As for EVs... I'm just not all that impressed with the instant torque from standing still. I've never been a 0-60 kinda guy. Heck, all 3 street bikes in my garage do 0-60 in 3sec, or less. Not once have I cared to part take in that sort of pointless silliness. EVs, by their nature, are heavily weighed down with batteries. Model 3 weighs up to 4250 lbs. Kia's EV6 4500 lbs. Model S 4766 lbs. The Teslas I've seen running at AutoX all looked like they were about to rip the tires off their outside wheels! Yikes, no thanks.

G70 is not exactly a welterweight, but the 6MT version curbs at just a bit over 3500lbs with very nearly perfect weight distribution. I'll take that for cornering fun over any EV any day.

 

[50jae]

IMO, with the new Z, GR86, and 6MT GR Supra, (relatively) affordable sportcars seems to be making a comeback. Mazda is coming our with inline6-powered RWD platforms that are directly aimed at competing with the Genesis gameplay. The replacement Mazda6 sounds to be going head to head with the G70. Maybe it's a last gasp for ICE glory, before permanently drown out by EVs, but the coming years seems to be a good time to be a sport (or sporty) car enthusiast. I would just have to guess this latest trend doesn't go un-noticed by Hyundai/Genesis/Kia. There has been spy shots of a mid-engine car, using Kia Stinger as the test mule. Some speculate it will be badged under the Hyundai's N banner as the performance brand's halo car. Personally, I'm betting a Genesis Coupe revival is more likely... or at least as likely. All this shows that the G70/Stinger platform plays an outsized part in Hyundai corporate's performance car development.

As for EVs... I'm just not all that impressed with the instant torque from standing still. I've never been a 0-60 kinda guy. Heck, all 3 street bikes in my garage do 0-60 in 3sec, or less. Not once have I cared to part take in that sort of pointless silliness. EVs, by their nature, are heavily weighed down with batteries. Model 3 weighs up to 4250 lbs. Kia's EV6 4500 lbs. Model S 4766 lbs. The Teslas I've seen running at AutoX all looked like they were about to rip the tires off their outside wheels! Yikes, no thanks.

G70 is not exactly a welterweight, but the 6MT version curbs at just a bit over 3500lbs with very nearly perfect weight distribution. I'll take that for cornering fun over any EV any day.

I believe Mazda recently confirmed that there is no mazda6 rwd model coming out with their new I6 engine. I agree though that this is a golden age of sports cars as I also own and love my ND2 miata with a MT next to my G70.

For my G70, since I already have a fun toy car, I am most looking forward to future EVs to replace it in several years, most notably the genesis X concept which I dearly hope goes into production with minimal changes. The speedium coupe looks like hot garbage though so I don't have high hopes.

 

[JCtx]

The G70 rings in at right over 4K lbs, so an MT 3.3T has to be well over 3,500. I bet even the 4-banger is over 3,500 lbs. But yes, the Tesla at 4,250 lbs feels nimble due to its low CG, but just push it a little, and it just plows. Granted, its 235 tires are A/S, but just can't defy physics. Ha ha. Until EVs become more prevalent (and more reliable), and most of the electricity is produced by green means, I don't think EVs are that much better overall than ICE cars at the moment, including the environment. And don't forget EVs delayed effect too, once those huge batteries are toast, causing significant impact. Not to mention the cost to replace them in both money and the environment all over again.

 

[Volfy]

I believe Mazda recently confirmed that there is no mazda6 rwd model coming out with their new I6 engine. I agree though that this is a golden age of sports cars as I also own and love my ND2 miata with a MT next to my G70.

For my G70, since I already have a fun toy car, I am most looking forward to future EVs to replace it in several years, most notably the genesis X concept which I dearly hope goes into production with minimal changes. The speedium coupe looks like hot garbage though so I don't have high hopes.

Yeah, Mazda has been back-n-forth with the RWD Mazda6. For now, it makes sense to concentrate on the high-volume high-margin CX-70 CX-90 SUVs.

I should clarify that I'm not at all against EVs. I am just not as enamored by their offline acceleration prowess as most folks seem to be. To me, EV's single biggest claim of fame is regenerative braking. That ability to recover energy that would otherwise be lost is something that no ICE can match, regardless of how advanced the technology. I won't be buying an EV any time soon... not until I'm forced to. However, I would very much welcome any ICE vehicle with a mild hybrid system, to where the EV system isn't big enough to exact significant weight penalty but just big enough to recover/reuse regen energy in stop an go traffic. Going back to Mazda, they are one of the few mfrs that are pushing mild hybrid systems in their ICE platforms. Even the next-gen Miata is getting one supposedly.

 

[Volfy]

The G70 rings in at right over 4K lbs, so an MT 3.3T has to be well over 3,500. I bet even the 4-banger is over 3,500 lbs. But yes, the Tesla at 4,250 lbs feels nimble due to its low CG, but just push it a little, and it just plows. Granted, its 235 tires are A/S, but just can't defy physics. Ha ha. Until EVs become more prevalent (and more reliable), and most of the electricity is produced by green means, I don't think EVs are that much better overall than ICE cars at the moment, including the environment. And don't forget EVs delayed effect too, once those huge batteries are toast, causing significant impact. Not to mention the cost to replace them in both money and the environment all over again.

The 6MT version is actually not the lightest, but very close.

G70 RWD 2.0T 8AT - 3516 lbs
G70 RWD 2.0T 6MT - 3580 lbs
G70 RWD 3.3T 8AT - 3774 lbs
G70 AWD 3.3T 8AT - 3887 lbs

Source: Used 2019 Genesis G70 2.0T Sport M/T Specs & Features | Edmunds

 

[Slip_Angle]

I think the G70 has a ton of character, but only in sport mode. From the extremely direct throttle-mapping to the handling to the sound the engine makes (both artificial as well as real), everything about it seems to encourage you to drive a lot faster than you should. The G70 is not a perfect vehicle by any means. It's not the fastest, it's not the most luxurious, it doesn't handle the road course the best, but it does enough of those things well that you actually love this car after a while.

It's also built well enough that 10 years down the line there will be so many of these that are heavily modded that no one will ever want to challenge one a G70 in a stoplight derby lol. We're only at about the second round of modding. Wait until people start breaking open the engine, but that's not going to happen with cars still under warranty.

With that being said though, honestly I want a C8, and circa 2024, that's likely my next (and possibly last) car.

I agree with you. Sport mode is great! I also really like that comfort is super casual for when I'm driving with my wife.

So far the car has been really reliable and from what I've seen they stay that way with higher mileage too.

 

[SuperKing]

Yeah, Mazda has been back-n-forth with the RWD Mazda6. For now, it makes sense to concentrate on the high-volume high-margin CX-70 CX-90 SUVs.

I should clarify that I'm not at all against EVs. I am just not as enamored by their offline acceleration prowess as most folks seem to be. To me, EV's single biggest claim of fame is regenerative braking. That ability to recover energy that would otherwise be lost is something that no ICE can match, regardless of how advanced the technology. I won't be buying an EV any time soon... not until I'm forced to. However, I would very much welcome any ICE vehicle with a mild hybrid system, to where the EV system isn't big enough to exact significant weight penalty but just big enough to recover/reuse regen energy in stop an go traffic. Going back to Mazda, they are one of the few mfrs that are pushing mild hybrid systems in their ICE platforms. Even the next-gen Miata is getting one supposedly.

Plug in hybrids are the way to go. Most people won't be driving more than 30 miles a day so a plug in hybrid with 30-40 mile electric range should suffice for most people. Most will use little to no gas on a daily basis with a plug in and there's the gas engine when they want to get out of town for a weekend.

It's cool that an EV can get 300 miles on electric but how many people are going to drain that regularly? They're likely to drive 30 miles a day or less so wouldn't it be better for the environment to use the lithium in 1 EV to make 10 plug in hybrids? You would have 10 cars that use little to no gas instead of 1 car that uses no gas... for daily driving anyways... Make better use of the limited resources