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Sorry to hear that. But glad you came out okay on both the deal, and the accident. At any rate, what dealers don't realize is we WILL remember those shenanigans in the future, when things get back to normal :). Manufacturers hate that practice, since they don't benefit from the excess charges, plus it affects them when customers 'X' a brand because of a dealer which plays that game. This is especially true in smaller cities, where there's only 1 dealer. I personally just 'X' the dealer, not the brand, for practices like that, since I know they're not condoned by them, but there's not much they can do due to franchise laws. Although some are starting to cut allocation now, when customers complain with proof. You could do that. Ha ha.
Sorry, we forget so so quick…many have forgotten 911 and sorry to bring politics into conversation but people will forget and forgive quickly. It’s a matter of survival for dealerships now, less products to sell therefore have to make more on what they get.
 
As much as everyone like to blame dealers for the crazy high prices right now, it is how free market economy works. Good old supply and demand.

The knife cuts both ways. Barely a yr ago, in the depth of pandemic lockdown, nobody was buying cars and dealers couldn't give their lot full of inventory away.

It's the same with gas prices. When prices are high, everybody accuses the oil industry for profiteering, but when oil prices were dirt cheap, nobody shed a tear for thousands of folks laid off from oil- related companies.

Not saying dealers are free to gouge customers to their heart's content, but look at it from their perspective... if the whole sales dept only gets 3 cars to sell for the next who-knows-how-long, how are they supposed to feed their family?
 
My issue with dealers is their deceiving practices. If they want to tack on a mark up, it's their right, and I respect that... but just freaking tell customers, especially if asked directly. There's absolutely no excuse for lying to customers, but that's why car salesmen (and dealers) have the reputation they do. I know how to handle them by now, but it's never a pleasant experience. And one of my worst experiences was with a Ferrari, so it's not just main-stream dealers.
 
My issue with dealers is their deceiving practices. If they want to tack on a mark up, it's their right, and I respect that... but just freaking tell customers, especially if asked directly.
Agreed, I had several people at dealership, including owner, assure me that they don't make "market adjustments." Abra cadabra, "mandatory protection" at sale time!
 
Exactly. And if you're willing to pay extra, for whatever reason, at least it wouldn't be a 'surprise', which is what sours a deal, and makes customers angry. Why the heck would a dealer want that? Anyway, I never paid MSRP for anything for decades, until the Tesla, but no choice there. And then I had to pay MSRP for the Palisade, but others were charging 5 grand over, so it was actually a good deal. Ha ha. I don't plan to ever pay over MSRP, however. But it's possible the days of getting a great deal are over. I suspect everybody will eventually adopt the 1-price strategy (like Tesla), which is actually fair for everybody. I might get a great deal, while a lady gets creamed... and that's before those creepy 'finance managers' push their other crap on unsuspecting buyers.
 
Car salespeople absolutely deserve their notoriety. I agree 100%.

I do, however, think folks get too stressed out over the car buying process. It isn't too difficult to learn to deal with even the worst of them. Just have to remember a few key points:

1. Get it in writing.
2. Money stays in your pocket... until you sign on the dotted line.
3. Be prepared to walk, even just before signing the dotted line.
4. Don't waste their time, any more than you want them to waste yours.
5. Patience pays, but act fast when necessary.
6. Can't count on luck, but luck counts.
7. You the buyer operate with information deficit compared to salesperson, but the more info you gain, the more you can even the table.
8. Most importantly... you're spending big money, so you should have fun... not stress. As long as money stays in your pocket... you are the boss. Sales guy can spend 3hrs bambozzling you, but you can walk away and they get NOTHING. Meanwhile, you got a test drive, some experience dealing with aholes, more info and some price data from the time you spent.

Few buyers absolutely need to buy when they do, but they convince themselves they do.

From the time we decided to buy a new car,, it took us more than 6 months before landing the deal on our '21 G70 6MT. We visited at least 7 different dealers and walked away from and left several deals on the table. I don't normally take that much time, but it was my son's first brand new car, and we had fun while he learned how to deal with different scenarios, how to get info, and how to walk away.

A lot of our friends think I'm joking when I said buying car is a bucket of fun. But there are several deals my wife and I still get a big laugh out of every time we talked about them.
 
I can add a few important things to your list. Ha ha.
1. NEVER give a salesman a monthly payment, even if you're going to finance. In fact, NEVER ever discuss monthly payments with them; just vehicle price. And only after a price is agreed upon, then you should discuss payment terms (interest, length, down payment, etc). However, it's better to already have terms from your bank (or other lending business), and only discuss terms if they can beat the interest and down payment you already have. If you tell a salesman a monthly payment figure, you'd be doomed, as they'd just get you the longest loan possible, and even tack on a kickback over the interest, until they match your figure, and make a killing.

2. NEVER tell a salesman you have a trade, until you have a firm price on the new car. Then throw the trade, to know exactly how much you'd get for it. They never like that, but that's the way to do it, to keep control of the transaction (rather than them). Otherwise, you'd never know how much you're paying for the new vehicle, and how much you're getting for your trade. And have a figure for your trade already from Carvana, Vroom, etc, to have an idea the market value of your car. You could get the tax differential less at the dealer, and the deal would be the same. But if less than that, you should just sell your trade directly to any such dealer, and buy the new car outright. Many pay you on the spot, or a few days later.

3. Never sign anything agreeing to purchase a vehicle, until you see ALL THE CHARGES first, including the infamous 'doc fee', and every other charge. As mentioned above, you could walk at that point, if needed. And never buy anything the creepy 'finance managers' want you to buy. You could buy any of those things later on if you want, and much cheaper. They push them like crazy, because they're like 90% profit for them, so be firm.

4. Finally, never fall for traps like the car is on sale just today, or there's a special just today, etc. DO NOT rush a vehicle purchase. Take your time, and do things right.
 
Has anybody recently purchased a G70 in or near Texas? What was your sales price vs the MSRP and what incentives were you able to get if any?
 
I can add a few important things to your list. Ha ha.
1. NEVER give a salesman a monthly payment, even if you're going to finance. In fact, NEVER ever discuss monthly payments with them; just vehicle price. And only after a price is agreed upon, then you should discuss payment terms (interest, length, down payment, etc). However, it's better to already have terms from your bank (or other lending business), and only discuss terms if they can beat the interest and down payment you already have. If you tell a salesman a monthly payment figure, you'd be doomed, as they'd just get you the longest loan possible, and even tack on a kickback over the interest, until they match your figure, and make a killing.

2. NEVER tell a salesman you have a trade, until you have a firm price on the new car. Then throw the trade, to know exactly how much you'd get for it. They never like that, but that's the way to do it, to keep control of the transaction (rather than them). Otherwise, you'd never know how much you're paying for the new vehicle, and how much you're getting for your trade. And have a figure for your trade already from Carvana, Vroom, etc, to have an idea the market value of your car. You could get the tax differential less at the dealer, and the deal would be the same. But if less than that, you should just sell your trade directly to any such dealer, and buy the new car outright. Many pay you on the spot, or a few days later.

3. Never sign anything agreeing to purchase a vehicle, until you see ALL THE CHARGES first, including the infamous 'doc fee', and every other charge. As mentioned above, you could walk at that point, if needed. And never buy anything the creepy 'finance managers' want you to buy. You could buy any of those things later on if you want, and much cheaper. They push them like crazy, because they're like 90% profit for them, so be firm.

4. Finally, never fall for traps like the car is on sale just today, or there's a special just today, etc. DO NOT rush a vehicle purchase. Take your time, and do things right.
I have had dealers freak out over the 'do you have a trade' thing, and me saying, well, I don't know, maybe, maybe not, let's discuss the price of the car - and then they would say, well we have to know whether your going to trade in or not, AND what you owe on your current vehicle. Lol. Amazingly, most people give them that info. When you trade in , the dealer makes a profit TWICE on you - once on the sale (and they all make a nice profit now, with MSRP+, and doc feels, and nitro in tires, etc etc), and then again - sometime by as much as 10 or 15k now - on your trade when they sell. So, r
 
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Has anybody recently purchased a G70 in or near Texas?
Bought the 2023 G70 2 weeks ago (and a 2022 SF Calligraphy 2 months ago) from the only local dealer in El Paso, and paid MSRP. The only add-on was a $125.00 documentary fee that everybody charges (this one is the lowest I've seen, so quite reasonable). Of course 'finance managers' try to tack on a bunch of crap, but you don't have to buy anything (I always decline everything). So if you want MSRP, they're basically the only ones anywhere close to sell at MSRP, and to EVERYBODY, not just me. But vehicles fly off the shelf, obviously, so even myself had to put a $1K deposit on each one (G70 was the 8th vehicle I've bought from them over the years). All other dealers, including AZ, NM, and TX, wanted $2K extra for 'paint protection'. Hope this helps.
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If near Dallas, check out Freeman in Irving. MSRP is what they charge and don't go over. Larry Chase has been with Freeman over 20 years.
 
Just remember to always ask point blank exactly what you need to pay over MSRP. The San Antonio dealer insisted they didn't charge any mark-ups, and took me 3 times to get an answer, which was, something like 'well, we only charge a $2K 'protection' fee... but everybody is doing it'. And yes, that's a $50 package with a $1,950 mark-up. Very deceiving people out there, so if buying out of town, ask very specific questions to avoid a trip in vain. Hope this helps.
 
@ELP_JC

Genesis of El Paso told me they didn't charge any markups, extra fees, and had no extra equipment.

I am in San Antonio. Genesis of El Paso also told me they don't sell their cars to anyone outside of El Paso. Maybe they knew I wouldn't buy anything with a markup.

I ended up paying $2K over MSRP in worthless equipment at World Car (Genesis of East San Antonio).
  • paid $2000 extra in worthless equipment
  • got $1000 off, because I financed with Genesis (then immediately refinanced with USAA)
  • got $500 off, for being a veteran.
  • They beat the CarMax trade-in value by $1000 (after about 2 hours of back and forth)
 
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@ELP_JC

Genesis of El Paso told me they didn't charge any markups, extra fees, and had no extra equipment.

I am in San Antonio. Genesis of El Paso also told me they don't sell their cars to anyone outside of El Paso. Maybe they knew I wouldn't buy anything with a markup.

I ended up paying $2K over MSRP in worthless equipment at World Car (Genesis of East San Antonio).
  • paid $2000 extra in worthless equipment
  • got $1000 off, because I financed with Genesis (then immediately refinanced with USAA)
  • got $500 off, for being a veteran.
  • They beat the CarMax trade-in value by $1000 (after about 2 hours of back and forth)
Why would they sell and out-of-towner a car? Money. If you're local, they figure they'll keep making it off you on future Service.
 
Genesis of El Paso told me they didn't charge any markups, extra fees, and had no extra equipment.
I can attest that's true, as I mentioned, except a doc fee you cannot avoid, but at $125, it's the lowest I've ever seen.

Man, I'm sorry they don't sell to out-of-towners, but guess they can do that now. And it makes sense, to keep the service and parts revenue off of those vehicles... although they won't make a penny off me. Ha ha. But I think you did good, since nobody charges less than $2K over, and you didn't have travel expenses. So which one did you get? :)
 
I can attest that's true, as I mentioned, except a doc fee you cannot avoid, but at $125, it's the lowest I've ever seen.

Man, I'm sorry they don't sell to out-of-towners, but guess they can do that now. And it makes sense, to keep the service and parts revenue off of those vehicles... although they won't make a penny off me. Ha ha. But I think you did good, since nobody charges less than $2K over, and you didn't have travel expenses. So which one did you get? :)
Yeah, that seems like a great dealership. $150 is the norm in Texas.

We got a 2022 3.3T Sport Prestige in the metallic red. It’s my wife’s vehicle and she loves it.

Some pics from the detailer

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If near Dallas, check out Freeman in Irving. MSRP is what they charge and don't go over. Larry Chase has been with Freeman over 20 years.
I'm in Houston, so Dallas is an option for me. What about that $995 charge for Clear Shield & Window Tint that they show online? Is that something they will remove or do you have to pay for that?
 
Just remember to always ask point blank exactly what you need to pay over MSRP. The San Antonio dealer insisted they didn't charge any mark-ups, and took me 3 times to get an answer, which was, something like 'well, we only charge a $2K 'protection' fee... but everybody is doing it'. And yes, that's a $50 package with a $1,950 mark-up. Very deceiving people out there, so if buying out of town, ask very specific questions to avoid a trip in vain. Hope this helps.
Yep, I don't plan on making a trip anywhere until we have a for sure deal in writing. I've had a couple tell me to come in and we can for sure make a deal lol I just tell them I won't be coming in until we have fully agreed on all the numbers in writing and I let them know up front I will not pay anything over MSRP so we won't be wasting our time.
 
@ELP_JC

Genesis of El Paso told me they didn't charge any markups, extra fees, and had no extra equipment.

I am in San Antonio. Genesis of El Paso also told me they don't sell their cars to anyone outside of El Paso. Maybe they knew I wouldn't buy anything with a markup.

I ended up paying $2K over MSRP in worthless equipment at World Car (Genesis of East San Antonio).
  • paid $2000 extra in worthless equipment
  • got $1000 off, because I financed with Genesis (then immediately refinanced with USAA)
  • got $500 off, for being a veteran.
  • They beat the CarMax trade-in value by $1000 (after about 2 hours of back and forth)
Did you talk to Genesis San Antonio? They agreed on Friday to sell me a G70 at MSRP as long as I financed through Genesis. Have not gone through with it yet because they don't have the exact colors I want and i'm still hoping to find a 2022 G70 before I give up and just get a 2023. I don't think the added features on 2023 ones are worth the $2000 hike in MSRP and I prefer the wheels on the 2022, but that's just my personal opinion. I do really like the ventilated seats which I had on 2019 G70 and you don't get on the 2022 specially in this Texas heat, but definitely not for an extra $2000.
 
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One of those SA dealers still have a 2021 2.0T fully loaded (like a 3.3T SP, so Napa, 360, etc), but has been sitting under the sun for 2 years, and they only deduct 3 grand. Opted for the 2023 instead, since ventilated seats were a deal-breaker for us.
 
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