YES your Genesis can SELF DRIVE!!!

[84Jeeper]

I don't know which harness you would need for the G90, and it could depend on the year. Well, actually I know it would as some of the older ones have hydraulic steering and are not supported. We would need to see a pic of the connector. The harness isn't complicated I built mine for their first "development" kit and it was easy since my car has connectors that are easy to source.

As to redundancy...nope. None other than you which is pretty much the same as the stock system. If the camera, motor driven power steering, electrical system,...really any part goes out it's gonna stop steering just like the stock system.

I will say that Comma takes safety very seriously. If you read (a lot) of the comments on Discord you will find they comply with a standard set for driver assist vehicles that even Hyundai Kia Genesis does not. As that standard requires the car to stop steering if you touch the brake or gas. George appears to have no tolerance for doing things that are unsafe. That being said as I always tell people sitting in a piece of metal going 75 mph is unsafe and if you add in there are other unknown drivers out there doing the same thing coming at you from the other direction with 6 ft of clearance between you and them when you pass ... well if we weren't use to doing it all the time anyone would say that is CRAZY dangerous!!! LOL

If you look where he has participated in conferences with other systems manufacturer you will see a different side of George I'll see if I can find a link. Trust me he is crazy smart and much more serious than he might appear.

 

[84Jeeper]

Please note the item he is currently selling is NOT for the general public. It is a "development" item. It requires you to do some work and the software has not reached full maturation (but it already is FAR SUPERIOR to our stock system and MUCH safer).

The product is the Comma2 you can find it on their webpage.

This video is for the "believers" LOL and hobbyist that working and using the current system and his style and presentation is geared toward them not folks like me, or I suspect most Genesis drivers, who I suspect are a bit older.

I can't speak for legitimacy, not sure what you want there. I can tell you it works amazingly well. I have used it for over 15,000 miles. It can even keep my car on the road where there are NO LANE LINES. It can now after the last update "see" or "understand" a concrete K rail barrier and use that to center the car in a narrow construction constricted lane (based on my personal experience).

I don't know about the escapees... but I only wish I was smart enough to be on their team.

 

[84Jeeper]

You folks might find this short video a bit more appealing....and there is some good info in there.

 

[DarinG90]

You folks might find this short video a bit more appealing....and there is some good info in there.

Some good info, indeed. I have no doubt he's brilliant. Still not sure he'll remain a productive (or even functioning) member of society in a year or two. hehe.

 

[Suburbazine]

Geohotz has been like that for about 7 years I’ve known him. Fairly sure it’s not drugs, it’s just he thinks faster than he can talk. Although it’s looking like his speech is catching up.

 

[SuperKing]

Based on this video you can easily imagine hundreds of people this guy’s age (and hyped-up condition) turned loose driving on our roadways. That isn’t a pleasant dream.

Actually, these are the guys that will be perfectly centered in the lane and keeping a proper distance between vehicles. You want more of these drivers on the roads.

Where is the adult version of this video? Where is the video that names the product that he is selling? Where is the legitimacy? Yes, show us something that verifies that this product isn’t being sold by a bunch of escapees from a substance abuse facility.

I think you're mistaking a live stream product launch for promotional material. If you want promo material, they're on the HTTP://comma.ai website. The software is opensource so if you think the developers are on drugs, you're free to inspect the code yourself to verify what it does.

 

[G-177051]

I’m definitely interested in this system — does anyone know what would be needed to get this setup for 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 AWD ultimate? Comma 2 system and what harness (A,b,c,d,e) and do I need the “black panda”?

Many thanks for the help!!

 

[vend]

What would be needed to get this going for a 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 AWD Ultimate now that a harness is available? From the looks I need a comma 2 and the car wiring harness (Which one? A, B, C, D, or E?) ?

Much appreciated for the help!

 

[84Jeeper]

Sent a private message. But... hit me up on Discord and we can take a look and try and get you going!

 

[PMCErnie]

Actually, these are the guys that will be perfectly centered in the lane and keeping a proper distance between vehicles. You want more of these drivers on the roads.



I think you're mistaking a live stream product launch for promotional material. If you want promo material, they're on the HTTP://comma.ai website. The software is opensource so if you think the developers are on drugs, you're free to inspect the code yourself to verify what it does.

Thanks, but my point is that any ad-related video put out by a business (a money-making operation) should have a rudimentary grasp of certain things. This normally includes a spokesman who is coherent (also no food in mouth), instructional aids like charts that are readable and a basic level of professionalism. This video reminds me more of Michael Keaton’s character in the movie NIGHT SHIFT, particularly when he “explains” investment strategy to the prostitutes. Or, when he throws a party (orgy) in the morgue.

This particular spokesman wouldn’t be using this product driving on local streets. If you were a cop and pulled him over you’d likely cuff him within two minutes for erratic behavior. By the way, I think this guy was in my 8th grade class. He would have been the guy stuffing Jello in his nose and squirting it out on the gals during class.

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[SuperKing]

I still think you're mistaking a live stream product announcement for promo material. The announcement was for all the folks on Discord driving Hyundai, Kia and Genesis cars asking for official harnesses for months. The stream wasn't announced outside of Discord.

Maybe this is more your taste.

 

[DarinG90]

I still think you're mistaking a live stream product announcement for promo material. The announcement was for all the folks on Discord driving Hyundai, Kia and Genesis cars asking for official harnesses for months. The stream wasn't announced outside of Discord.

Maybe this is more your taste.

I think our level of discomfort with him is directly related to the nature of the product he's selling. If he was pitching a band, a new game, instruments, PC gear, etc. I wouldnt have thought twice about his behavior.

But this Comma device can kill someone instantly if it fails the wrong way. The trust-factor needs to be awfully damn high before you would trust your family's lives with it. I don't even trust the Genesis system enough yet to do that (hence all my recent experiments and tests with its LKA to see where and how it fails).

He's clearly smart enough to know how social-media works. If he's going to do a video or livestream about the product (and hopes to sell to more than just his Discord frat buddies) than professionalism is a basic expectation - the videos will get out there (just like this one did). So step up and present the company with a seriousness that the product requires.

 

[84Jeeper]

I would say that if you find his behavior disturbing and therefore don't want to purchase the product then don't do so. I on the other hand find it most interesting. You rarely get to see a manic genius at work and quite frankly the proof is in the pudding. If you look at the volume of work that he has done you will find a high level of commitment to safety and a system that FAR surpasses the safety of the stock system (I mean it even monitors YOU to make sure you are looking at the road and will start "screaming" if you aren't).

Having used the system for over 15,000 miles I can assure you it works incredibly well and is improving with every update.

As noted before I passed an accident on the interstate the other day where a car left the road and rolled over and two medivac helicopters carried victims away and the first thing I thought was if they had OP on board that would likely not have happened (unless it was a mechanical failure of the car).

Trust your life with it? Well, as he states people should be scared using any of these systems and they should remain attentive. As previously noted we trust people we don't know all the time to keep their car in their lane when closing at a rate of over 140 mph (each car going over 70) and never think twice about it. Are they drunk, on drugs, or manically paying attention? We trust cruise control to do nothing more than maintain a speed while we monitor it and never think twice about that (I mean what if it applied full throttle and you couldn't turn it off?). We can come up with all sorts of scenarios of ways things can go wrong and you can die as a result.

If you don't trust him don't buy it. But I see no correlation between the described perceived assessment of him by some (which is not how everyone perceives his behavior so we could debate that, but to what end?) and the function of the system.

As for me....well, the pudding is pretty tasty...it works ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than stock, I find it to SIGNIFICANTLY enhance convenience and SAFETY, so I will continue to put the info out there for folks that are interested and are willing to put in the time to understand what the system can do and what it's limitations are so they can decide if it's something they find worthwhile. Stop by anytime and give it a taste and you might find you come away with the same conclusion.

 

[PMCErnie]

I still think you're mistaking a live stream product announcement for promo material. The announcement was for all the folks on Discord driving Hyundai, Kia and Genesis cars asking for official harnesses for months. The stream wasn't announced outside of Discord.

Maybe this is more your taste.

Yes, do you have her phone number?

 

[DarinG90]

Yes, do you have her phone number?

Hmm, this video helped me see a "normal" version of George - a smart enthusiastic software engineer. But it didn't help bolster my confidence in OpenPilot (or any Level 2 or Level 3 autonomous system). Two failures instantly (the truck, and then the first attempt at a lane change). Sigh. Failures are not an option with such a device, in my opinion. The consequences are too big and they happen so fast. I might pay attention and not trust it, and stay safe.., but what about my 18 year-old daughter?? Will she also not Snapchat while driving thinking the car is taking care?

I'll experiment more. The G90 is my first car with such an advanced system. So I need to see how I live with it. Is it useful, or dangerous? I am not sure yet. I find the Smart Cruise Stop-n-Go in heavy traffic quite miraculous so far... and risk of death is low at that speed, so that looks like a real winner. The high-speed LKA/Smart-Cruise? I'm not sure.

At the moment I would love to find a way to lock it out before handing the keys to my 22 year old son!

 

[EdP]

The high-speed LKA/Smart-Cruise? I'm not sure.

At the moment I would love to find a way to lock it out before handing the keys to my 22 year old son!

I'd rather my 22 yo use Smart Cruse rather than drive like a typical 22 yo in the left lane passing everyone. I've had SCC for over 5 years and many thousands of mile with no problems.

When my kids were that age they did not drive my car, they had their own. Grandson did not have his own car and would never get the keys to mine. I know his driving habits. I mentioned in another thread that my Garmin nav would record the top speed. I lent it to him once and when I checked later the top speed was 123.

 

[DarinG90]

I'd rather my 22 yo use Smart Cruse rather than drive like a typical 22 yo in the left lane passing everyone. I've had SCC for over 5 years and many thousands of mile with no problems.

When my kids were that age they did not drive my car, they had their own. Grandson did not have his own car and would never get the keys to mine. I know his driving habits. I mentioned in another thread that my Garmin nav would record the top speed. I lent it to him once and when I checked later the top speed was 123.

I do see your point, I get it.

I suppose I just need to keep driving with it for a while and see if I find more helpful than stressful. We'll see.

 

[84Jeeper]

123, not bad, I may or may not have seen north of 130 in my Genesis

...and I'm pretty sure you can't be stressed driving a G90!!!! (of course if you are I would be happy to relieve your stress)

 

[DarinG90]

123, not bad, I may or may not have seen north of 130 in my Genesis

...and I'm pretty sure you can't be stressed driving a G90!!!! (of course if you are I would be happy to relieve your stress)

Hehe... she is one smoooooth girl, I tell ya!

 

[DarinG90]

Perhaps bad form to revive an older thread, but I re-opened this topic for (hopefully) a valid reason. More research on the state of Autonomous cars.

It's supposed to be here by now (fully autonomous, at least in core, well-mapped zones). But it's not here, or even terribly close yet. The reason it's not, is that Level 3 autonomy (we're all at Level 2 or Level 2 Plus) is proving impossible to develop in a way that is safe enough that the lawsuits wont bankrupt automakers. The US wont allow it on the roads yet, so Audi cancelled their debut. Now Europe has also (mostly) said no. So Audio has essentially cancelled it. Ford and Volvo already pulled out of Level 3, saying we need Level 4 or stick where we are! Level 4 is hard! We're not there yet.

The whole problem with Level 3 is EXACTLY the problem I immediately felt when driving the G90 with it's Level 2 Plus system: the "Control Hand-Off" - that moment, often at highway speeds, with other cars, concrete barriers, bicyclists (etc) just feet away - when the car suddenly says, "I can't deal with this, you take over!". You better be paying attention at that critical moment!

That "moment" , it seems, is a really, really hard problem to solve. So hard, in fact, that some of the best brains in the business are saying "skip it": go from where we are (with incremental improvements, of course) to Level 4 (no Human input needed). Humans are the problem, not the sensors, not the processors, not the algorithms. We will improve all of these systems fast. But Humans we cant "fix". They text, they argue, eat sloppy joes, watch porn.... sometimes all at once! (hehe)

Anyway, I felt this essential problem the first time I tried LFA on the G90 and watched how and when it failed. It's good, really good, but so random.... and that's the problem. It builds your trust, things are great for 30mins, you reduce your alertness.., and then it suddenly fails because the road changed slightly and lines vanished.

That said: I will continue using it - and treat it as no more than a better Cruise Control (ie: I am paying full attention). If I can avoid the tendency to gradually lose the alertness, which I find it wrongly encourages, then I might come to appreciate it. At the moment, when I turn it on, I am always a little tense waiting for it's next failure.

A weird, in-between, bit of technology we're dealing with here.

Edit: Yes, OpenPilot may be better than Genesis' stock system ("LKA even when the paint goes away!!" hehe). But it fails often for a ton of reasons. Even their own promo clips cant seem to show a segment where it doesnt fail. It is just a better cruise control, but it (wrongly) lulls the careless driver into thinking it is more, and therefore is not paying the attention he must- that's dangerous. I wouldnt want my 20+ year-old-kids ever driving with this tech. They would txt, snapchat, make out, whatever...

It's likely (in my view) that history will quickly confirm that this Level 2 Plus Plus Plus (almost Level 3) and Level 3 itself (if we actually see it) is really bad technology that existing briefly and quickly failed. It did more harm than good.