2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Spy Photos

[italiabrain]

But if I go 5.0 RWD Ultimate to get the same features, I gain the fog lights and bigger engine but lose heated steering wheel and rear seats...WTH Hyundai...

If the 3.8 has regular fog lights instead of none at all...

+1 WTH Indeed

 

[Advocate225]

Looking at the specs for the 2015 Genesis, I see that rear seat leg room has gone down from the spacious 38.6" in our cars, to a barely mid-sized econobox 35" in the new models. One of my reasons in choosing Genesis was to have a spacious interior, now the car will offer a cramped back seat. No a car I'd want to buy.

 

[larry'sown]

I have to agree. This is nothing short of "yikes". They both removed features and significantly increased the price penalty for the V8. Not only did it go up twice as much just comparing 14MY to 15MY numbers that's without accounting for Nav being included on the V6 now. So the V6 went up ~$1500, while the V8 went up $4000? That makes no sense with a powerplant that's essentially carry-over.

Your logic is flawed. You are comparing the prices of the base 2014 and 2015 3.8 to that of loaded prices for the 5.0. Optioned out, the 2014 and 2015 Genesis 3.8 are seperated by much more than $1500. In fact, the 3.8 Genesis got the bigger jump in price than the 5.0 did and there are still features included in the 5.0's Ultimate package that can't be had on the 3.8(staggered wheels and tires and CDC suspension). You guys seriously need to temper your vitriol.

 

[larry'sown]

Looking at the specs for the 2015 Genesis, I see that rear seat leg room has gone down from the spacious 38.6" in our cars, to a barely mid-sized econobox 35" in the new models. One of my reasons in choosing Genesis was to have a spacious interior, now the car will offer a cramped back seat. No a car I'd want to buy.

The legroom in the 2015 Genesis is class-competitive and there are obviously factors other than legroom that determine whether a backseat is cramped. As a person who has actually sat in the 2015 Genesis' backseat, I can tell you it is anything but.

 

[ronreal]

Can anyone figure out what is going into the fog light openings in the front bumper if you have the V6 Version? Non-Led Lights, a big gaping hole, a brushed stainless insert? It sucks that you can't get fog lights on the V6 Version even with the Ultimate Package!

 

[Advocate225]

The legroom in the 2015 Genesis is class-competitive and there are obviously factors other than legroom that determine whether a backseat is cramped. As a person who has actually sat in the 2015 Genesis' backseat, I can tell you it is anything but.

It's competitive with BMW 5 and CTS, but I carry TALL passengers often in my back seat I'll reserve judgment till I have a chance to sit in the car. I always attend the New York Auto Show and plan to attend on April 26th.

I'll be holding off for a year as I'm not sure whether or not I'll retire, in which case I'll be moving to Florida. If I stay working here in Philly I'll be buying AWD. Last I heard there wasn't too much snow in Palm Beach County!

 

[ksoze]

You guys seriously need to temper your vitriol.

I'm not sure who this comment was intended for, but the reaction over a $55K plus Hyundai is normal. The packages and standard features have been shaken up making comparisons harder, but the 5.0 without some previous features and lacking AWD being almost $56K makes one ponder.

 

[Big_tugg]

Price on par with CTS V sport

 

[Mark_888]

I'm not sure who this comment was intended for, but the reaction over a $55K plus Hyundai is normal. The packages and standard features have been shaken up making comparisons harder, but the 5.0 without some previous features and lacking AWD being almost $56K makes one ponder.

Yes, it does make one ponder. When driving around town, very few people are going to know exactly which options and features are included in someone else's car. They will notice whether you are driving a MB or a Hyundai (even if it has wings). So that is why the idea of fully loaded Hyundai Genesis being anywhere near in price to moderately equipped E350 is going to be a very tough sell IMO. And I say that as a person who is not very status conscious and doesn't "normally" worry about what other people think about what car I drive.

 

[jcox12]

Yes, it does make one ponder. When driving around town, very few people are going to know exactly which options and features are included in someone else's car. They will notice whether you are driving a MB or a Hyundai (even if it has wings). So that is why the idea of fully loaded Hyundai Genesis being anywhere near in price to moderately equipped E350 is going to be a very tough sell IMO. And I say that as a person who is not very status conscious and doesn't "normally" worry about what other people think about what car I drive.

But the E class starts at 51k. So I would say that a comparably equipped E350 is much more expensive. The ceiling on the Genny is 55k while the ceiling on the E class is more in the 72k range with similar features. So I would say that its no where close in price from that standpoint. Throw in the fact that E400 Hybrid starts at 59k and the E550 starts at 61k and I think that the price is still a value for the brand.

The real problem is why would I want to pay 50k for a V6 AWD without fog lights or 55k for a V8 RWD with no heated steering wheel and rear seats...just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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[PMCErnie]

2015 Price bloat

I've been priced out of cars before and it seems that I am destined to be so again with this second-generation Genesis. I owned two 280 Z cars when they were affordable and before Nissan try to compete with Porsche. Hyundai could've made a new Genesis that would have easily sucked in current owners. Instead, they seem to have decided to alienate many of us based on their new price points. How sad!

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Looking at the specs for the 2015 Genesis, I see that rear seat leg room has gone down from the spacious 38.6" in our cars, to a barely mid-sized econobox 35" in the new models. One of my reasons in choosing Genesis was to have a spacious interior, now the car will offer a cramped back seat. No a car I'd want to buy.

I'm with you on this one. The rear leg room was one of the major reasons I bought the car. Now to have a new model with 3+" less is a big deal. 3" dosen't sound like much, until you loose it. I came from a Pontiac G8 that had a lot of rear leg room. I bought over a caddy CTS because of the extra room. When I went shopping again, I bought the Genney over a Jag because of the rear leg room.

 

[larry'sown]

I'm not sure who this comment was intended for, but the reaction over a $55K plus Hyundai is normal. The packages and standard features have been shaken up making comparisons harder, but the 5.0 without some previous features and lacking AWD being almost $56K makes one ponder.

It was a general response to all the negative comments that don't have much of a foundation. I am a little perpelxed on how/why heated steering wheel and heated rear seats aren't available on the 5.0, but truth be told, I'd never use those features anyway. Really, what is there to ponder? You could spend less than $56K on loaded 5.0 OR you could spend $72K on a loaded M56 or $73K on a CTS V-Sport or $80K for a 550i. By the way, none of these cars have AWD. This is just for the RWD versions. As I said, you(after all, you did reply) and everyone else need to take a deep breath. Even with the price bump(which is almost exactly what I was expecting) the Genesis stiil represents a tremendous value in this class

 

[larry'sown]

Yes, it does make one ponder. When driving around town, very few people are going to know exactly which options and features are included in someone else's car. They will notice whether you are driving a MB or a Hyundai (even if it has wings). So that is why the idea of fully loaded Hyundai Genesis being anywhere near in price to moderately equipped E350 is going to be a very tough sell IMO. And I say that as a person who is not very status conscious and doesn't "normally" worry about what other people think about what car I drive.

Are you serious? You are comparing a loaded 5.0 to a moderately equipped E350. That couldn't be any more apples to oranges.

 

[Big_tugg]

It was a general response to all the negative comments that don't have much of a foundation. I am a little perpelxed on how/why heated steering wheel and heated rear seats aren't available on the 5.0, but truth be told, I'd never use those features anyway. Really, what is there to ponder? You could spend less than $56K on loaded 5.0 OR you could spend $72K on a loaded M56 or $73K on a CTS V-Sport or $80K for a 550i. By the way, none of these cars have AWD. This is just for the RWD versions. As I said, you(after all, you did reply) and everyone else need to take a deep breath. Even with the price bump(which is almost exactly what I was expecting) the Genesis stiil represents a tremendous value in this class

7th on CTS V-sport? Doubt it will b that high

 

[larry'sown]

Re: 2015 Price bloat

I've been priced out of cars before and it seems that I am destined to be so again with this second-generation Genesis. I owned two 280 Z cars when they were affordable and before Nissan try to compete with Porsche. Hyundai could've made a new Genesis that would have easily sucked in current owners. Instead, they seem to have decided to alienate many of us based on their new price points. How sad!

You're priced out by $5K?

 

[ksoze]

But the E class starts at 51k. So I would say that a comparably equipped E350 is much more expensive. The ceiling on the Genny is 55k while the ceiling on the E class is more in the 72k range with similar features. So I would say that its no where close in price from that standpoint. Throw in the fact that E400 Hybrid starts at 59k and the E550 starts at 61k and I think that the price is still a value for the brand.

A well equipped E350 can be had for the low to mid $50's, a Lexus 350 F sport less. With the current R-Spec actually selling for $10-$12K less, the gap makes the value proposition. Much will depend on how much discounting happens on the 2015 Genesis, but the gap between the german cars and this one cannot become too small just yet - Hyundai is not there, but making progress. The buyers of $50K plus cars do care more about status and can maybe justify the choice on value - as long as its there. Saying, "My Hyundai costs as much as your Mercedes, but I got a CO2 sensor and a better radio", wont work.

 

[larry'sown]

I'm with you on this one. The rear leg room was one of the major reasons I bought the car. Now to have a new model with 3+" less is a big deal. 3" dosen't sound like much, until you loose it. I came from a Pontiac G8 that had a lot of rear leg room. I bought over a caddy CTS because of the extra room. When I went shopping again, I bought the Genney over a Jag because of the rear leg room.

Look again. The rear legroom is down, but the front legroom is up. Really the loss in rear legroom is around 2". If that doesn't satisfy you, I'm curious where you would be shopping for your next car as those legroom measurements are par for the course in this class. That was a real question, not trying to be a smart ass.

 

[larry'sown]

A well equipped E350 can be had for the low to mid $50's, a Lexus 350 F sport less. With the current R-Spec actually selling for $10-$12K less, the gap makes the value proposition. Much will depend on how much discounting happens on the 2015 Genesis, but the gap between the german cars and this one cannot become too small just yet - Hyundai is not there, but making progress. The buyers of $50K plus cars do care more about status and can maybe justify the choice on value - as long as its there. Saying, "My Hyundai costs as much as your Mercedes, but I got a CO2 sensor and a better radio", wont work.

You see, when people start making comments like this, I have to chuckle. Not only are you comparing smaller, less powerful engine options to the top spec 5.0, but you're entire argument is based on how much you can get off sticker for cars that have been on the market for 1+ years. Of course there is wiggle room for those cars. The dealers are trying to get rid of them. As I mentioned in my previous post, the value is still there. The Genesis is at least $15K cheaper than its competition. I honestly don't get it. You wanted Hyundai to give you a better driving experience, better interior amd more technology, but you don't want to pay for it. Truly mind-boggling.

 

[Mark_888]

Are you serious? You are comparing a loaded 5.0 to a moderately equipped E350. That couldn't be any more apples to oranges.

I am very serious. To a large extent (depending on the person) people are not buying features and equipment with a car purchase, they are buying image and status. Very, very, few people are going to notice that a loaded Genesis has more features than a moderately equipped MB E350. The only thing most people are going to notice is that one is a MB and the other is Hyundai (or best case scenario, they may not be sure what it is).