Apple CarPlay and Android Auto NOT coming to Ultimate Genesis (2015, 2016)

[Heymjo]

It would seem to me that one of two things would have to happen here. Either the company will never be able to offer AA and CarPlay in future Ultimate models (like 2017) since they can't seem to get it to work with the 9.2" screens or future Ultimates will have to offer only the 8": screen where there is capability to offer this feature. My understanding is that the 8" screen in the Sonata is the same as the 8" screen in the entry-level Genesis and since they have a retrofit for the Sonata, they should have it for that level of Genesis. Otherwise, if they do develop the capability and offer this feature in future models of the Ultimate, then a retrofit should be available for the 2015/2016 models.

 

[srobak]

The free map upgrade is a great idea, especially with a new version (10) that is going to be available in June. [...] That said, I don't really hold it against Hyundai that Car Play and AA won't be available in the Ultimate.

For this very reason - the "free map upgrade" thing will not happen... and to be honest it is a pretty ridiculous position for someone to have. "Give me something for free after the fact of buying the car because you didn't give me something else for free which you were never promised me nor obligated to give me in the first place."

Seriously - who thinks like this? :/

I'm sure Car Play will be in the 2019 Genesis I will be driving then.

Yep. This is what I am banking on as well - for my G90.

Mostly, I think it's been poorly handled and communicated by Hyundai. After implying and teasing that it was coming, now it's not (at least not for everyone).

Agreed - that really needed to be handled much better.

Even bigger for Hyundai, especially as they launch the new Genesis brand, is that this does not help build the brand... making the Ultimate less than Ultimate and having disappointed current owners makes it harder for them.

I don't know if I completely agree with this. The new brand is in all respects it's own "upgrade". Remember - today you drive a Hyundai Genesis. In 2019 you will be driving a Genesis G80 or G90. With the upgraded perspective of the grand will come the understanding that you can expect some pretty upgraded features.

Either the company will never be able to offer AA and CarPlay in future Ultimate models (like 2017) since they can't seem to get it to work with the 9.2" screens or future Ultimates will have to offer only the 8": screen where there is capability to offer this feature.

Nah. Development for future & better integrations will continue. It is quite possible that the next incarnation of Ultimates will have a different software back-end, which will be compatible with AA & CP. The re-tooling and re-engineering costs of having to re-design the dash will far outweigh those associated with the software development necessary to make it happen instead - especially for an Android platform. Also - cars like the G90 are going larger in screen size - not smaller... at almost 14in across. You can be assured that integration will be available for that car.

 

[jsmit86]

It would seem to me that one of two things would have to happen here. Either the company will never be able to offer AA and CarPlay in future Ultimate models (like 2017) since they can't seem to get it to work with the 9.2" screens or future Ultimates will have to offer only the 8": screen .....

I'm quite certain that the larger screen itself has nothing to do with the issue. The problem is the hardware platform upon which the DIS system is built

 

[srobak]

I'm quite certain that the larger screen itself has nothing to do with the issue. The problem is the hardware platform upon which the DIS system is built

Very true - but that is not how the average car buyer & consumer will be able to identify the difference. For them - life is all about screen size.

 

[jimmygez1961]

i got a phone call from hyundai they told me they are still working on apple car play for the genesis on all packages so i don't know what the truth is anymore

 

[srobak]

i don't know what the truth is anymore

Day 1 in the police academy: If it isn't in writing / documented - then it didn't happen.

 

[NavyBus]

The DIS system is the OLDER platform. While it is higher performance for audio, and supports touch screen and the knob/selection on the console, it is based on a lower powered processor, and older tech.

You can read more at: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2015-hyundai-genesis-technology-review,3794-3.html

The point that I am making is that it may have been impossible, or very cost prohibitive to upgrade the Intel Atom based systems. This may have been due to a protocol that Apple or Google implemented that was totally out of Hyundai's control.

Concur with comment that this is a cost prohibitive issue. The Intel Atom chipset will have enough power to drive it and the display -- hi res, no less -- can support required architecture. Simply put, there are far fewer DIS-equipped cars on the road than AVN... and you have to go where the money is. The AVN is widely shared across platform, making it worthwhile for the manufacturer to investment time and resources to support development. Making this available to previous MY is a nice thing for the manufacturer to do, IMHO, since they could have refused in an attempt to drive people back to dealers for a potential tech refresh or a new vehicle.

Best course of action is for Ultimate owners to make a concerted and coordinated effort to persuade Hyundai NA to champion this cause. The BEST sales pitch is that they will need to support AA and CP in 2017 Ultimate trim lines and beyond, otherwise their "premier" trim is less valuable than the base model to some buyers. Then, when they incorporate AA/CP into the DIS system to bring the Ultimate trim up to parity with less well-appointed trim lines, they can make it available to previous MY buyers.

Best,
Bus

 

[jsmit86]

Concur with comment that this is a cost prohibitive issue. The Intel Atom chipset will have enough power to drive it and the display -- hi res, no less -- can support required architecture. Simply put, there are far fewer DIS-equipped cars on the road than AVN... and you have to go where the money is. The AVN is widely shared across platform, making it worthwhile for the manufacturer to investment time and resources to support development. Making this available to previous MY is a nice thing for the manufacturer to do, IMHO, since they could have refused in an attempt to drive people back to dealers for a potential tech refresh or a new vehicle.

Best course of action is for Ultimate owners to make a concerted and coordinated effort to persuade Hyundai NA to champion this cause. The BEST sales pitch is that they will need to support AA and CP in 2017 Ultimate trim lines and beyond, otherwise their "premier" trim is less valuable than the base model to some buyers. Then, when they incorporate AA/CP into the DIS system to bring the Ultimate trim up to parity with less well-appointed trim lines, they can make it available to previous MY buyers.

Best,
Bus

My take on cost prohibitive is that it's not related to the cost of software development. Even though there are less DIS systems on the road, I'd bet that Hyundai would have developed the software upgrade for both platforms, and amortized the cost of the project over both platforms. If this had been possible, it would have likely provided a path forward for all DIS based systems in Current Genesis and Equus models, plus the ability to add the features to G80 and G90.

More likely this would have required a substantial hardware change; designing and swapping a board in the unit, or something on that order.
Even though the Atom is an older platform, I doubt that the processor or the Screen itself is a limiting factor.

Consider the possibility that this upgrade would have required a new main or auxiliary circuit board. That's big $$$. Even in the best case where that board would be included in new DIS systems, you would then have to disassemble the already installed units to do the upgrade. That indeed would be cost prohibitive.

I don't have any inside info on this, but I would wager that the problem is similar to what I have stated. If this issue was as simple as the cost of the software itself, I cannot imagine that Hyundai would have blown off the customers for the top of the line Genesis. I will also bet that G80 and G90 will have AA/CP support. The question is will the system be DIS based, or will it be a modified AVN architecture with DIS type control and features.

 

[kn5owa]

Very true - but that is not how the average car buyer & consumer will be able to identify the difference. For them - life is all about screen size.

Life for me - at least as far as my Genesis is concerned - is the powertrain, esp. the nice 420 hp. V8, the smooth 8 spd. xmsn, and a good air conditioner.

I almost bought the Ultimate version, simply because they had one in Pamplona red, but the additional price tag plus unneeded gadgets were a little much for me.

I'm still curious, by not buying the Ultimate, am I one of the lucky people who got Android Auto and Apple CarPlay?

 

[coopmike]

Edit: Already another thread with this info

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[jimbo1mcm]

Maybe the Hyundai engineers aren't smart enough to figure out how to do it. ( just hoping someone in H management reads this!!)

 

[NavyBus]

My take on cost prohibitive is that it's not related to the cost of software development. Even though there are less DIS systems on the road, I'd bet that Hyundai would have developed the software upgrade for both platforms, and amortized the cost of the project over both platforms. If this had been possible, it would have likely provided a path forward for all DIS based systems in Current Genesis and Equus models, plus the ability to add the features to G80 and G90.

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I don't have any inside info on this, but I would wager that the problem is similar to what I have stated. If this issue was as simple as the cost of the software itself, I cannot imagine that Hyundai would have blown off the customers for the top of the line Genesis. I will also bet that G80 and G90 will have AA/CP support. The question is will the system be DIS based, or will it be a modified AVN architecture with DIS type control and features.

Good point, as an upgrade in h/w would make the problem difficult indeed.

Would be interesting to know if other vehicles based on the Intel Atom are currently equipped with Car Play. At the end of the day, the x86 architecture remains the same, though some specialized h/w pieces may be required.

My comment was simply based on working for 22 years at a 680,000-person strong organization. If an easy excuse exists (the h/w won't support!) the manufacturer would usually run to that rationale very quickly to appease irate customers. And why pick a DIS system with no upgrade capability to AA or CP during the Gen 2 lifespan of the vehicle, requiring a redesign mid-cycle? Doesn't make sense, especially with Car Play well advertised in advance of the 2015MY.

At the end of the day, it comes down to profit/loss and the bottom line. Few multinational companies decide to do something irrespective of the economic outcome.

Just my humble $0.02.

Best,
Bus

 

[jimbo1mcm]

My Infiniti G37 with voice input for nav was much, much better than the voice input on my Ultimate. Maybe the Ultimate is set up for a foreign language, because it tells me that it doesn't understand 95% of the time, and I know how to work it.

 

[jsmit86]

My Infiniti G37 with voice input for nav was much, much better than the voice input on my Ultimate. Maybe the Ultimate is set up for a foreign language, because it tells me that it doesn't understand 95% of the time, and I know how to work it.

Have you tried speaking Korean?😀

 

[srobak]

The BEST sales pitch is that they will need to support AA and CP in 2017 Ultimate trim lines and beyond, otherwise their "premier" trim is less valuable than the base model to some buyers.

The DIS will not be replaced for the 2017 G80 Ultimate. It will be the same as in the 15/16. Most likely we will not see it refreshed until the 2019 model year - when it will also see a freshened overall design if we are lucky - aside from a couple more minor tweaks like what we observed for the 16. However - typical of premium models from other brands actually don't even get full-on redesigns after 4 years. Most are 6 and some are even 8... though with intermediate tweaks, small udpates and refinements to the design.

Life for me - at least as far as my Genesis is concerned - is the powertrain, esp. the nice 420 hp. V8, the smooth 8 spd. xmsn, and a good air conditioner.

Yeah, I know... but I meant for most people - it seems their lives are defined by screen size. TV at home, their phone, their tablet.... etc. And while you (or anyone else) might know exact specs on your powertrain - chances are like-minded folks do not have any idea the hardware architecture behind the different DIS's. I know I didn't - and I even work in IT and am somewhat familiar with both platforms.

I almost bought the Ultimate version, simply because they had one in Pamplona red, but the additional price tag plus unneeded gadgets were a little much for me.

Just curious - what gadgets on the Ultimate do you think are not needed? I am particularly interested in hearing this in light of the other discussions we have had in the "Genesis vs the world" thread(s) and the importance of comparing (frivolous) feature sets.

[/quote]I'm still curious, by not buying the Ultimate, am I one of the lucky people who got Android Auto and Apple CarPlay?[/QUOTE]

Yes - you can get it, as of 2 days ago. There are a couple of threads with instructions on how to do it, or of course you can go to the dealer.

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Maybe the Hyundai engineers aren't smart enough to figure out how to do it. ( just hoping someone in H management reads this!!)

It's been made pretty clear in all these threads - not to mention fairly well known for numerous years.... car manufacturers are not in the electronics development business. All these "entertainment systems" in ever single mid to high-end car on the planet are self-contained systems which are outsourced to companies which specialize in such technologies.

My Infiniti G37 with voice input for nav was much, much better than the voice input on my Ultimate.

This is resolved with the latest map update & has also been discussed in more than a few threads on here.

 

[spinedoc777]

My Infiniti G37 with voice input for nav was much, much better than the voice input on my Ultimate. Maybe the Ultimate is set up for a foreign language, because it tells me that it doesn't understand 95% of the time, and I know how to work it.

This is resolved with the latest map update & has also been discussed in more than a few threads on here.

I have the latest update and still feel the voice input on my 2016 Genny is HORRIBLE, sorry but only caps would denote my sentiments. Yes I'm a native English speaker without an accent. Not only does it not recognize my voice the vast majority of the time, it's also very slow, sometimes it takes 5-10 seconds before it even recognizes my voice. I never understood why car makers scrimp on how powerful the head units are, is it really that much more expensive to put in a better processing chip, cpu, or whatever is the issue?

 

[spinedoc777]

i got a phone call from hyundai they told me they are still working on apple car play for the genesis on all packages so i don't know what the truth is anymore

Officially released today! I have a notification on MyHyundai that it's available, but for some reason the Download section isn't turned on in the website to actually download it. My wife's 2016 sonata also has the update, and the download is actually available for hers.

I am curious though why Carplay and why they couldn't get Android auto in the update. If Android auto isn't in this update, I doubt they will release anything soon, or they would have just held off on releasing this update.

 

[jimmygez1961]

i just found out it has nothing to do with head unit it has to do with the rotary knob

 

[sleeksilver]

HMA Dealer Portal is saying that it will be available for the 15-16 Genesis sedan with the 8" screen available as a downloadable update available today. The announcement came out on 5/23.

Copy and paste from HMA DP:

Customer Download and Installation

To download the software, customers must have a MyHyundai account and a registered Apple CarPlay or Android Auto eligible VIN. For these customers, a ‘Downloads’ tab will be available in their MyHyundai Menu bar that directs them to the Download Update page. There, they will find the “How to Download Guide”:

1. AVN Customers: The customer will need to remove the factory SD map card from their vehicle and insert into their computer’s built-in or external SD card reader.

2. The customer will need to download the software to their computer. After the download is complete, the files will be automatically extracted to the inserted SD map card or USB stick (for non-navigation customers).

3. After transferring the software to the SD map Card or USB stick, the customer will be able to update the vehicle headunit.

4. The MyHyundai page will also provide Apple Carplay and Android Auto support information. Videos will be available to help walk the customers through the entire download, update, and vehicle/phone setup process.