K&N (or other) Intake Air Filters

[Beefer]

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K&N 69 Series Typhoon® Air Intake Systems

Built for performance and show, the Typhoon® Air Intake System is a free-flowing mandrel-bent aluminum tube induction system designed to fit many sport compact performance vehicles. Each kit is proven on a rear-wheel dynamometer to increase horsepower and torque. Typhoon intakes come in one of three designs; cold air intakes (CA), short ram intakes (SR), or complete cold air (CCA) intakes which can be configured as either a cold air intake or a short ram intake. They come with an oversized High-Flow conical air filter designed to provide increased surface area and dust capacity. This extra surface area provides even more airflow at lower restriction than a standard K&N O/E replacement filter that is limited to the size of the factory air box. The oversize air filter also captures more dirt increasing the service life before a cleaning is required (up to 100,000 miles). Some Typhoon Air Intakes are not legal for use in California and other states adopting California emission standards while others are CARB exempt and 50 state legal. Check the K&N catalog or website vehicle parts search for specific CARB status.

 

[kmooney4]

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That sounds awesome... unfortunately, not legal in Maryland...

 

[Beefer]

That sounds awesome... unfortunately, not legal in Maryland...

Woah...are you serious? Why not?

 

[Beefer]

Woah...are you serious? Why not?

Actually not true. It is CARB rated and available. The CARB certificate simply has to be presented to the installer.

 

[kmooney4]

Woah...are you serious? Why not?

Was looking at K&N's webiste... under the description for it there was a section that said "Legal for use in all 50 states: NO"... So I clicked on "NO" and it went to a page describing stupid effing California Emission Laws and how some states have adopted them and this is not legal in a handful of states...

 

[kmooney4]

Taken straight from K&N's website for the 69 Series Typhoon...

This intake system is not legal for street use in the following US states:

Arizona, California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington

This intake system is legal for street use in most states. However, it is not legal for sale or street use in California and the above states that have adopted California Emissions Standards under Section 177 of the Federal Clean Air Act of 1970. Intake systems are subject to governmental regulation in California and certain other states adopting the emission standards of the California Air Resources Board. In order for an intake system to be legal on a specific vehicle in California and the other adopting states, the part number must receive a CARB Executive Order (EO) number. This number makes the part legal for use only on specific years, makes and models of vehicles. A decal with CARB EO number for these parts must be displayed in the engine bay to satisfy smog inspection requirements.

All K&N 57 series intakes for North American vehicles have received CARB EO numbers and are street legal in all 50 states.

Some intake systems we sell beginning with the prefixes 63-, 69-, 77, & RK- are not legal for use in California and other states adopting CARB emission standards. Please check our website for the specific CARB status of each intake system we sell for a specific vehicle.

 

[Beefer]

Was looking at K&N's webiste... under the description for it there was a section that said "Legal for use in all 50 states: NO"... So I clicked on "NO" and it went to a page describing stupid effing California Emission Laws and how some states have adopted them and this is not legal in a handful of states...

Yep...sorry...you are correct sir. Apologies. Fme...had no idea. Well...get it installed in Virginia We can meet for a beer !!

 

[kmooney4]

HAHA might take ya up on that! What are the possibilities of getting a ticket for this? Presumably a cop would have to look under the hood and know what he's looking at. My question though is would this fail an emissions test? We are required to have emissions tests done every year...

 

[Beefer]

HAHA might take ya up on that! What are the possibilities of getting a ticket for this? Presumably a cop would have to look under the hood and know what he's looking at. My question though is would this fail an emissions test? We are required to have emissions tests done every year...

A cop would never know. I think it might fail an emissions test...that I do not know. Ouch. We don't have those in VA.

What you could do is look for another brand that does open air kits like this. There are others...K&N might be only one not allowed.

 

[Beefer]

A cop would never know. I think it might fail an emissions test...that I do not know. Ouch. We don't have those in VA.

What you could do is look for another brand that does open air kits like this. There are others...K&N might be only one not allowed.

Ok...actually talked to a dude. I think you are good.

You will need an EPA compliant air intake system for Maryland.

CARB regulations are required for CA and NY only.

So, both Injen and K&N will work for your purposes.

You will get a little bit more performance with Injen intake.

Here is a link that has both items in the cart...just for you to compare. He said Injen is better performance...I have no clue.
CARiD.com - Your Shopping Cart

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[kmooney4]

Ok...actually talked to a dude. I think you are good.



Here is a link that has both items in the cart...just for you to compare. He said Injen is better performance...I have no clue.
CARiD.com - Your Shopping Cart

OK thanks for doing the DD for me! When the time comes I'll definitely do my own research before making a decision! These things ain't cheap also LOL

 

[kmooney4]

Ok...actually talked to a dude. I think you are good.



Here is a link that has both items in the cart...just for you to compare. He said Injen is better performance...I have no clue.
CARiD.com - Your Shopping Cart

Article I just read said that Maryland does require CARB regulations.... it's all confusing between CARB regulations EPA certified! I'll have to specifically ask some people if I go to actually buy it...

 

[Beefer]

Article I just read said that Maryland does require CARB regulations.... it's all confusing between CARB regulations EPA certified! I'll have to specifically ask some people if I go to actually buy it...

Hmmm...this guys specifically said CARB is only Maryland and NY. Other wise all other 50 States can be EPA Certified.

I did do some reading and it is so confusing. This guy said he is 100% positive. Does he know something deeper?

The more I think about this...all this does is improve air flow. Has nothing to do with what comes out of the car...the pollution. I could not see how this could make an emission test fail. But...not sure if I would take the chance. Need to research more and talk to folks that deal with this daily.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

Any warranty voiding issues with running these? What do you mean by they sound better? Like the "whistle" you get with a turbo is louder?

because they are "wider" open as Toddasaurus points out, they allow more air flow, so you essentially hear the sucking sound of the throttle body better.

IMO and testing on a dyno for multiple cars over the years, CAI's really don't add anything but noise. on a car with a proper CAI and Exhaust get a nice rumble if that is what you are looking for.

Overall drop in filters do not add power or mpg, they do however keep paper filters out of land fills.

I prefer the dry flow filters over the wet, the recharge kits for the wet are messy and improperly recharging them can cause the intake to suck in the chemicals.

AEM makes dry flow, and FYI K&N and AEM are the same company..

 

[Mr. Incredible]

Taken straight from K&N's website for the 69 Series Typhoon...

This intake system is not legal for street use in the following US states:

Arizona, California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington

This intake system is legal for street use in most states. However, it is not legal for sale or street use in California and the above states that have adopted California Emissions Standards under Section 177 of the Federal Clean Air Act of 1970. Intake systems are subject to governmental regulation in California and certain other states adopting the emission standards of the California Air Resources Board. In order for an intake system to be legal on a specific vehicle in California and the other adopting states, the part number must receive a CARB Executive Order (EO) number. This number makes the part legal for use only on specific years, makes and models of vehicles. A decal with CARB EO number for these parts must be displayed in the engine bay to satisfy smog inspection requirements.

All K&N 57 series intakes for North American vehicles have received CARB EO numbers and are street legal in all 50 states.

Some intake systems we sell beginning with the prefixes 63-, 69-, 77, & RK- are not legal for use in California and other states adopting CARB emission standards. Please check our website for the specific CARB status of each intake system we sell for a specific vehicle.

essentially this means remove it before inspection..

 

[Beefer]

Yeah...they are not hard to put on. Remove before inspection...then put back on. Here is some info for the 2 intakes for the Kia Stinger...I'm sure they will be very similar for the G70 3.3T...

Injen - SP Series Wrinkle Black Short Ram Air Intake System with Blue Filter
+20 HP (up to)
+17.88 lb-ft (up to)
$524.95 USD


K&N - 69 Series Typhoon Aluminum Silver Cold Air Intake System with Red Filter
+9 HP (up to)
+10.88 lb-ft (up to)
$419.99 USD

 

[kmooney4]

because they are "wider" open as Toddasaurus points out, they allow more air flow, so you essentially hear the sucking sound of the throttle body better.

IMO and testing on a dyno for multiple cars over the years, CAI's really don't add anything but noise. on a car with a proper CAI and Exhaust get a nice rumble if that is what you are looking for.

Overall drop in filters do not add power or mpg, they do however keep paper filters out of land fills.

I prefer the dry flow filters over the wet, the recharge kits for the wet are messy and improperly recharging them can cause the intake to suck in the chemicals.

AEM makes dry flow, and FYI K&N and AEM are the same company..

OK so the K&N typhoon system is a dry filter right? Just adds more surface area?

essentially this means remove it before inspection..

They aren't difficult to put on and take off? From the installation directions it looked fairly in depth... maybe they were just being all inclusive with the instructions and it really isn't that much work?

Do either of these systems have the potential to harm the engine, drivetrain, axles, anything of that nature due to increased power and the engine not being "built" from the factory to handle more power? Especially damage to the turbos for providing more air intake? is that even possible?

Again, don't laugh at me, I'm new to engine mod'ing!!!!!

 

[Mr. Incredible]

OK so the K&N typhoon system is a dry filter right? Just adds more surface area?

and noise.

They aren't difficult to put on and take off? From the installation directions it looked fairly in depth... maybe they were just being all inclusive with the instructions and it really isn't that much work?

Do either of these systems have the potential to harm the engine, drivetrain, axles, anything of that nature due to increased power and the engine not being "built" from the factory to handle more power? Especially damage to the turbos for providing more air intake? is that even possible?

Again, don't laugh at me, I'm new to engine mod'ing!!!!!

no they won't damage your motor, and they won't void your warranty. Though some dealers can be jerks about it.

most cars are easy to put on and take off, maybe an hour tops, though with the twin turbo you have to do everything twice.

don't know about Maryland's regs, in CA we don't have to get the first smog inspection until the car is 7 years old, I don't usually keep cars past 3-4 years so it's never really been an issue.

With my last car I had 2 years of pre-paid maintenance, my dealer had no issue with having a full intake on my RCF, but did tell me at my 20K service that the 25K service included an air filter and advised that I put the OEM box back in for that "inspection" and replacement, just to be safe, took me about 45 minutes to swap out the AEM with the factory box when the time came. I was getting ready to sell the car and ended up doing so 2 months later so I never put the AEM back in.

 

[Electrode]

I dunno. Manufacturers spend a lot of time and money squeezing a few horsepower and MPGs out of a car. If they could improve performance with a cheap air filter, don't you think they would?

 

[Mr. Incredible]

I dunno. Manufacturers spend a lot of time and money squeezing a few horsepower and MPGs out of a car. If they could improve performance with a cheap air filter, don't you think they would?

These filters really don't add power, regardless of the marketing claims, plus manufacturers are locked into very strict regulations, most of these filters do not meet those regulations.

additionally where is the profit in giving a customer a reusable filter? dealers make money off over priced parts.. $50 for a filter you can get at pep-boys for $15.

The only advantage I've ever seen to a drop in filter is keeping the paper ones out of land fills.

The only advantage to full CAI's in a car with no internal mods to the motor (upgraded cams and the like) is noise, increased sound to make the car sound "meaner" or more powerful which i personally like.

Same with aftermarket exhaust, while it does help the vehicle breathe better without internal motor mods, all you are doing is increasing the sound, which in turn decreases the MPG because the increased sound is directly related to how much pressure your right foot puts on the pedal.