2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Spy Photos

[tompass]

From another forum:
I noticed that the EPA ratings were released for the upcoming 2015 Hyundai Genesis, and they're not good.

V6 RWD - 18/29/22
V6 AWD - 16/25/19
V8 RWD - 15/23/18

For comparison, I pulled up the numbers for the competition:
Audi A6 2.0T FWD - 25/33/28
Audi A6 2.0T Quattro - 20/29/23
Audi A6 3.0T Quattro - 18/27/22
BMW 528i - 23/34/27
BMW 528i xDrive - 22/33/26
BMW 535i - 20/30/24
BMW 535i xDrive - 20/29/23
BMW 550i - 17/25/20
Lexus GS350 - 19/29/23
Lexus GS350 AWD - 19/26/21
Mercedes-Benz E350 - 21/30/24
Mercedes-Benz E350 4MATIC - 20/28/23
Mercedes-Benz E550 4MATIC - 17/26/20

With all the improvements effort Hyundai put into this all-new model, it seems like they left fuel efficiency off the list! While the Genesis will be priced lower than those competitors, the models under them in price (A4, 3-Series, IS, C-Class, etc.) all utilize the same engines as their midsize brethren, so they have even higher fuel economy ratings that this class making the Genesis look even worse in comparison.

 

[Ernie3647]

One thing that seems clear is that the 2015 5.0 will have more than one trim level, or at least have optional equipment. Some items in the current Tech Package (such as 17-speaker Lexicon, DIS controlled Nav, and other features) are no longer standard on the 5.0.

Some of these 5.0 optional items are also optional on the 3.8, but some are unique to the 5.0. The only item I saw that is unique to the 5.0 (and is optional) is the following:

• Continuous Damping Control suspension

And Illuminated door sill plates which are standard on 5.0

 

[tompass]

And illuminated sill plates NOT available along with fog lights on 3.8.

 

[Gunkk]

From a prior post this should answer some questions.

http://www.hyundainews.com/us/en-us/2015/Genesis/Features.aspx

WHEELS & TIRES
P245/45R18 A/S tires (V6)
P245/40R19 A/S (front) tires (V8)
P275/35R19 A/S (rear) tires (V8)

V6 ties seem to have a good selection and decent prices on tirerack.

But if you're leaning toward the V8 and haven't price out tires yet... be prepared for some sticker shock. Tires for the V8 ain't gonna be cheap!
For the V8, you'll drop $1200 for a set of 4 Pilot Super Sports. $268 ea for the front, $319 ea. rear. Most other tires are in the same price ballpark (only Contis ECDW/ECDWS are marked down currently). And selection is limited. Bridgestone Touranza Serenity Plus is not available in the V8 rear size on Tirerack.

 

[Mark_888]

And Illuminated door sill plates which are standard on 5.0

I was focusing on those items which are optional on the 5.0, so might be part of the 5.0 Ultimate Trim level (if there is such a thing in USA). I think that was the question raised. It looks like there will be at least 2 trim levels for 5.0, and things like 17-Speaker Lexicon are no longer standard on the 5.0.

 

[Mark_888]

From another forum:
I noticed that the EPA ratings were released for the upcoming 2015 Hyundai Genesis, and they're not good.

V6 RWD - 18/29/22
V6 AWD - 16/25/19
V8 RWD - 15/23/18

For comparison, I pulled up the numbers for the competition:
Audi A6 2.0T FWD - 25/33/28
Audi A6 2.0T Quattro - 20/29/23
Audi A6 3.0T Quattro - 18/27/22
BMW 528i - 23/34/27
BMW 528i xDrive - 22/33/26
BMW 535i - 20/30/24
BMW 535i xDrive - 20/29/23
BMW 550i - 17/25/20
Lexus GS350 - 19/29/23
Lexus GS350 AWD - 19/26/21
Mercedes-Benz E350 - 21/30/24
Mercedes-Benz E350 4MATIC - 20/28/23
Mercedes-Benz E550 4MATIC - 17/26/20

With all the improvements effort Hyundai put into this all-new model, it seems like they left fuel efficiency off the list! While the Genesis will be priced lower than those competitors, the models under them in price (A4, 3-Series, IS, C-Class, etc.) all utilize the same engines as their midsize brethren, so they have even higher fuel economy ratings that this class making the Genesis look even worse in comparison.

Those 2015 Genesis numbers have been on the EPA website for awhile and discussed in other threads/posts. It is easy to see why the 5.0 AWD version is not offered in the US (at least not yet).

 

[ksoze]

It is easy to see why the 5.0 AWD version is not offered in the US (at least not yet).

Easy how? It's a potential loss of market and in that segment, a mile or two per gallon will not dim sales - MPG is not high on the list for those buyers. For some of us, it would likely be a gain in MPG.

 

[italiabrain]

Easy how? It's a potential loss of market and in that segment, a mile or two per gallon will not dim sales - MPG is not high on the list for those buyers. For some of us, it would likely be a gain in MPG.

Search this thread or one of the many others. I think it was over a few pages in the 70's and 80's and ended around page 85, but this discussion already went on so long that I broke down and used equations because it had been said so many ways in words. I won't re-quote or re-explain the whole thing, but there are good reasons to think that offering more options may actually lower total genesis sales as the advertised price range will significantly affect advertising and reviews. I agree with you that gas mileage isn't generally a big deal in this segment, but it might be bad enough it would be getting into specialty gas-guzzler tax territory since it's classified as a standard passenger car.

 

[ronreal]

I don't understand the fog light situation either. I saw video walk arounds of the 3.8 version on youtube, and they still had fog lights that looked just like the ones on the 5.0 version. They looked like LED "dots" on both cars. So if LED fog lights aren't available as an option for the 3.8, what are you getting then (no fog lights at all, fog lights that aren't LED, fog lights that are incandescent, etc....) ? I don't get it.

 

[Mark_888]

Easy how? It's a potential loss of market and in that segment, a mile or two per gallon will not dim sales - MPG is not high on the list for those buyers. For some of us, it would likely be a gain in MPG.

Not sure what you mean by a mile or two. I don't know about the V8, but on the V6 the difference between RWD and AWD are pretty big:

V6 RWD - 18 city / 29 highway / 22 combined
V6 AWD - 16 city / 25 highway / 19 combined

Since the V8 RWD is this:
V8 RWD - 15 city / 23 highway / 18 combined
would that make a V8 AWD this?
V8 RWD - 13 city / 19 highway / 15 combined

I don't know what market you are talking about, but it seems to me that a market share for a car with 13 city / 19 highway / 15 combined is not all that big.

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[Mark_888]

I don't understand the fog light situation either. I saw video walk arounds of the 3.8 version on youtube, and they still had fog lights that looked just like the ones on the 5.0 version. They looked like LED "dots" on both cars. So if LED fog lights aren't available as an option for the 3.8, what are you getting then (no fog lights at all, fog lights that aren't LED, fog lights that are incandescent, etc....) ? I don't get it.

None of the cars brought to the US for auto shows, etc, were final production versions of the US trim levels.

 

[ksoze]

I don't know what market you are talking about, but it seems to me that a market share for a car with 13 city / 19 highway / 15 combined is not all that big.

The market for example is the BMW 550iX, MB 550 4matic and the Lexus 460 AWD. Since you are extrapolating, you then know that the BMW RWD and AWD have a 1 MPG difference and the Lexus has the same MPG for both RWD and AWD. If the AWD is the same, it is right in the ballpark. If it is 1 MPG worse, it is not a show stopper. Those buyers who buy those V8 premium cars do not generally shop MPG and will not elect to not buy a 2015 AWD V8 Genesis based on a lower MPG than a similarly equipped V8 AWD car. Especially when the price difference and lower repair costs can buy a lot of gas.

 

[Mark_888]

The market for example is the BMW 550iX, MB 550 4matic and the Lexus 460 AWD. Since you are extrapolating, you then know that the BMW RWD and AWD have a 1 MPG difference and the Lexus has the same MPG for both RWD and AWD. If the AWD is the same, it is right in the ballpark. If it is 1 MPG worse, it is not a show stopper. Those buyers who buy those V8 premium cars do not generally shop MPG and will not elect to not buy a 2015 AWD V8 Genesis based on a lower MPG than a similarly equipped V8 AWD car. Especially when the price difference and lower repair costs can buy a lot of gas.

I admitted that I don't know what the difference will be between the V8 RWD and V8 AWD, but on the Genesis V6 the difference is 3-4 MPG.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think that people who can afford a BMW 550iX, MB 550 4matic, or the Lexus 460 AWD (and can therefore not worry about the price of gas) are the same group of people who would buy a Genesis. The primary benefit of the Genesis is that it costs a lot less than the others, and so by definition a Genesis buyer is likely to be most cost conscious, including the cost of gas. But this is just my opinion/guess.

 

[italiabrain]

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think that people who can afford a BMW 550iX, MB 550 4matic, or the Lexus 460 AWD (and can therefore not worry about the price of gas) are the same group of people who would buy a Genesis. The primary benefit of the Genesis is that it costs a lot less than the others, and so by definition a Genesis buyer is likely to be most cost conscious, including the cost of gas. But this is just my opinion/guess.

I agree on this one. I think direct cost will be more of an issue, but I definitely think MPG is still an issue for the Genesis crowd.

 

[ksoze]

The primary benefit of the Genesis is that it costs a lot less than the others, and so by definition a Genesis buyer is likely to be most cost conscious, including the cost of gas. But this is just my opinion/guess.

And your guess may indeed be right - we are all just speculating as we wait blindly for tidbits of info ;-)

I believe that the most cost conscious who are effected by MPG differences will select the V6, the same way those who currently select an R-Spec do not become put off by the 3 MPG difference. We will soon see.

 

[italiabrain]

The market for example is the BMW 550iX, MB 550 4matic and the Lexus 460 AWD. Since you are extrapolating, you then know that the BMW RWD and AWD have a 1 MPG difference and the Lexus has the same MPG for both RWD and AWD. If the AWD is the same, it is right in the ballpark. If it is 1 MPG worse, it is not a show stopper. Those buyers who buy those V8 premium cars do not generally shop MPG and will not elect to not buy a 2015 AWD V8 Genesis based on a lower MPG than a similarly equipped V8 AWD car. Especially when the price difference and lower repair costs can buy a lot of gas.

Although the extrapolation is likely an overshoot it sounds like he's basing it on the V6 RWD vs V6 AWD numbers. It's more likely to be proportional than identical, but it's unlikely that the hit will be as small as 1 or even 2MPG judging by the V6.

 

[ksoze]

I agree on this one. I think direct cost will be more of an issue, but I definitely think MPG is still an issue for the Genesis crowd.

The Genesis R-Spec crowd freely ponied up for a 15 MPG car - gas mileage was evidently not a roadblock. I think the 2015 is not just for the Genesis crowd (whatever that is) but for the new Hyundai buyer who downsizes in price and prestige but upgrades his car and value. They may not come from Honda's but from BMW's.

 

[italiabrain]

The Genesis R-Spec crowd freely ponied up for a 15 MPG car - gas mileage was evidently not a roadblock. I think the 2015 is not just for the Genesis crowd (whatever that is) but for the new Hyundai buyer who downsizes in price and prestige but upgrades his car and value. They may not come from Honda's but from BMW's.

Your logic boils down to "they put up with bad gas mileage, so they will put up with terrible gas mileage". Things have limits. Regardless, the primary issue is the delta. The difference between an RSpec and a 550i isn't as big as the difference between a 5.0AWD and a 550xi (based on guesstimates). It's that widening gap combined with a cost-conscious buyer that's at issue. The size of the issue will obviously vary with miles driven per year and how close the Genesis is to that person's price limit in the first place, but there's no arguing it doesn't at least detract from the price appeal.

 

[ksoze]

Things have limits.

And this side trip based on nonexistent data has likely reached its limit.

It does not however explain why Hyundai thinks Canadians can handle the unknown penalty for the V8 AWD (at $5.50 /gallon US), but someone south of the border cannot.

 

[tompass]

Would be downright idiotic if the 3.8 does not option out with fog lights. Actually should be standard!