2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Spy Photos

[larry'sown]

So much debate on things that haven't even been finalized. No one knows about the 2015 Genesis' mileage or what, if any, fog light will be offered. Why not just wait until Hyundai makes an announcement befored getting all worked up? Sheesh

 

[italiabrain]

So much debate on things that haven't even been finalized. No one knows about the 2015 Genesis' mileage or what, if any, fog light will be offered. Why not just wait until Hyundai makes an announcement befored getting all worked up? Sheesh

A central part of the debate has been "finalized" though. The AWD system on the '15 Genesis appears to be an abnormally large penalty to gas mileage. Just because the exact number on the V8 isn't known doesn't mean we can't tell something is going on based on the hit the V6 takes. If you have reason to believe .gov is guessing or soliciting guesses from Hyundai on gas mileage let me know. I'm not one for thinking Hyundai would release numbers so unflattering if they weren't true. (This isn't a dig on Hyundai, I'd rather pay lots less up front as long as it doesn't cost too much over time)

You're not the only one, and it's far from the first time in this thread, but I don't get this "just wait and see" thing. It's a spyshot thread, the entire thing is predictive and future-oriented. The whole point of a spyshot thread is reading between lines and figuring things out before they're officially released. If your general response is to just wait for an official release and see, then why read or post on a spy thread at all?

Colors, option packaging, pricing, and a few other specs are really all that are left to speculate on since so much of the car is known now. I don't see any reason to discourage that (for one I think it should be here for Hyundai to see), but if people are coming to the consensus of discouraging it then the thread should be closed or those who aren't interested in the details should abandon it.

 

[italiabrain]

And this side trip based on nonexistent data has likely reached its limit.

It does not however explain why Hyundai thinks Canadians can handle the unknown penalty for the V8 AWD (at $5.50 /gallon US), but someone south of the border cannot.

Canadians have more to lose by not having AWD considering their average road conditions, and Canadians are apparently willing to pay upwards of $60k for it...

 

[Mark_888]

I'm not one for thinking Hyundai would release numbers so unflattering if they weren't true.

The numbers quoted above from the Hyundai website have also been published on the EPA website for the 2015 Genesis. So it is safe to assume they are accurate (not including speculation about the V8 AWD).

Looks like Canada has similar rating (miles per liter), but doesn't look like they have 2015 vehicles yet:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/fcr-rcf/public/index-e.cfm

 

[Ernie3647]

I find it interesting that the 2015 V6 while down 22 horses is now recommended for premium fuel. Maybe it has to do something with the torque mapping change. So it seems from 2015 on all Genesis sedans will be recommended for use with premium fuel.

 

[italiabrain]

I find it interesting that the 2015 V6 while down 22 horses is now recommended for premium fuel. Maybe it has to do something with the torque mapping change. So it seems from 2015 on all Genesis sedans will be recommended for use with premium fuel.

I have no actual evidence of this, but it's my prediction that the V8 is actually up on power and Hyundai is now building in the same kind of "cushion" that many other manufacturers do, especially on luxury cars. Previous testing using the same dyno done by the same auto magazine for instance showed the M56 having noticeably more power throughout the power band than the RSpec while the RSpec was advertised with 9 more hp. If they added 10 actual hp, and subtracted 9 advertised hp they would be dead on the M56 and I'd bet that's what they're doing. The modifications listed all sounded like they should increase power (increased compression ratio, optimized intake, the fact that a dual intake was shown on the V8, etc.) I didn't notice that premium would be required, but that would fit with an increase to the compression ratio. I haven't followed the V6 as closely.

 

[larry'sown]

A central part of the debate has been "finalized" though. The AWD system on the '15 Genesis appears to be an abnormally large penalty to gas mileage. Just because the exact number on the V8 isn't known doesn't mean we can't tell something is going on based on the hit the V6 takes. If you have reason to believe .gov is guessing or soliciting guesses from Hyundai on gas mileage let me know. I'm not one for thinking Hyundai would release numbers so unflattering if they weren't true. (This isn't a dig on Hyundai, I'd rather pay lots less up front as long as it doesn't cost too much over time)

You're not the only one, and it's far from the first time in this thread, but I don't get this "just wait and see" thing. It's a spyshot thread, the entire thing is predictive and future-oriented. The whole point of a spyshot thread is reading between lines and figuring things out before they're officially released. If your general response is to just wait for an official release and see, then why read or post on a spy thread at all?

Colors, option packaging, pricing, and a few other specs are really all that are left to speculate on since so much of the car is known now. I don't see any reason to discourage that (for one I think it should be here for Hyundai to see), but if people are coming to the consensus of discouraging it then the thread should be closed or those who aren't interested in the details should abandon it.

I enjoy good debate, but that's not what this thread has morphed into. It startrd out being just a spy shot thread, then it became a thread chock full of banter. You could very well be correct in that the stated fuel mileage is accurate. There is also a chance that those figures are estimates and the Genesis is still undergoing final testing. I choose to wait until something is announced by Hyundai before speaking to how poor the mileage may or may not be.

 

[Alwaysforward]

Those who care about mileage will buy a Honda or other 30mpg car. I own one and love the great gas mileage. I also own a F250 with a V10 that gets 11 mpg, 7 when pulling the boat.

Point being is if your talking about 20 mpg vs 17 mpg gallon, its only $6.49 more gas per week for a person driving 200 miles per week. That's only $338 per year.

I on the other hand am opting to get rid of the Honda for a V8 RWD car with a lot of Horsepower and the Genesis gives your the most bang for the buck.

That change will cost me on average of $1200 in additional fuel cost per year. $100 bucks per month. $23 bucks per week. The way I look at it, that $23 bucks more per week is worth all the fun I plan on having with the 2.5x more horsepower than my little Honda Civic SI has...

 

[italiabrain]

Those who care about mileage will buy a Honda or other 30mpg car. I own one and love the great gas mileage. I also own a F250 with a V10 that gets 11 mpg, 7 when pulling the boat.

Point being is if your talking about 20 mpg vs 17 mpg gallon, its only $6.49 more gas per week for a person driving 200 miles per week. That's only $338 per year.

I on the other hand am opting to get rid of the Honda for a V8 RWD car with a lot of Horsepower and the Genesis gives your the most bang for the buck.

That change will cost me on average of $1200 in additional fuel cost per year. $100 bucks per month. $23 bucks per week. The way I look at it, that $23 bucks more per week is worth all the fun I plan on having with the 2.5x more horsepower than my little Honda Civic SI has...

I completely agree with your examples. I think the issue is that the cost/benefit specifically for adding AWD to a V8 isn't very good if these MPG numbers are true.

At ~$2500 up front for the option and assuming 15mpg vs 18mpg for V8 RWD combined mileage, add another $500/year. In addition to that as a passenger car it would likely dip into a "gas guzzler" category that would add another ~$1000 to the cost up front in the form of a tax. (Pickups like your boat-hauler are exempt, it's just passenger cars).

So for a 5 year life you're potentially looking at $6k, or $100/month just to add AWD to the V8, with potentially ~$3500 of that up front. While I would probably pay that for a V8 in the first place I think you have to be in a place where it's "AWD or not getting there" for that to be worthwhile for the AWD.

http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/420f12068.pdf

 

[sandy]

It depends on how you value the costs and benefits in a cost/benefit study. There will be great variation from driver to driver. The security, real or imagined, of AWD may be priceless to some. As may be the AWD badge at the rear. Other peoples "Benefits" are tricky to measure. That's what makes marketing so much fun.

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[Alwaysforward]

I completely agree with your examples. I think the issue is that the cost/benefit specifically for adding AWD to a V8 isn't very good if these MPG numbers are true.

At ~$2500 up front for the option and assuming 15mpg vs 18mpg for V8 RWD combined mileage, add another $500/year. In addition to that as a passenger car it would likely dip into a "gas guzzler" category that would add another ~$1000 to the cost up front in the form of a tax. (Pickups like your boat-hauler are exempt, it's just passenger cars).

So for a 5 year life you're potentially looking at $6k, or $100/month just to add AWD to the V8, with potentially ~$3500 of that up front. While I would probably pay that for a V8 in the first place I think you have to be in a place where it's "AWD or not getting there" for that to be worthwhile for the AWD.

http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/420f12068.pdf

Agreed and Thank You for that link. I don't need nor want the AWD as I live in South Florida. Just one more thing to break down.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Can't look at this topic anymore. It's all over the place with some hard data thrown in with wild speculation, heavy breathing an elevated blood pressure.

I'm going to wait a few months until more (or all) the facts are known. Carry on.

 

[DominicJE]

Can't look at this topic anymore. It's all over the place with some hard data thrown in with wild speculation, heavy breathing an elevated blood pressure.

I'm going to wait a few months until more (or all) the facts are known. Carry on.

This thread should really be changed to 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Discussion.

I agree - I'm just going to wait until the actual facts are stated by Hyundai. No use for me to just guess pricing or get my hopes up on a certain feature being added. I'm sure things will be stated before or around the New York Auto Show.

 

[ronreal]

I confirmed in writing with a high-level exec at Hyundai that the 3.8 liter Genesis Sedan will not have fog lights as an option (they were standard on the 2014 Genesis Sedan). I just wonder what will be there in it's place. There is that built-in recessed strip for the LED lights into the bumper. If there are no lights there, will it just be an elongated hole?

 

[tompass]

So they want us to spend likely $45K on an AWD V6 and get a car with no fog lights? Okey dokey. Will not be getting my money just as matter of principal. Surely he must be either misinformed or is purposely lowering our expectations. Actually pretty funny.

 

[ksoze]

Not sure I get the deep desire for fog lights - I may be missing something. Are some of you in foggy areas? Is not buying a car like the Genesis because of the lack of standard fog lights make sense? Do some of you live in bogs?

 

[PMCErnie]

Just makes no sense to drop fog lamps from 3.8 cars. What are these folks smoking? Top trims should be identical with either engine.

However, like the illuminated door sills and chrome side trim that I added to my 3.8, one would imagine that some fog lights could be "procured." Adding a switch to the stalk might present a problem, though.

 

[tompass]

Should at least be an option. I for one will not want to start making after market alterations on a new car. Yes, I have on many occasions made use of the fog lights driving through the low country in SC. Don't live in bog...

 

[Mark_888]

Should at least be an option. I for one will not want to start making after market alterations on a new car. Yes, I have on many occasions made use of the fog lights driving through the low country in SC. Don't live in bog...

Fog lights are very expensive. The lights themselves are not that expensive, but one can burn up a lot of gas looking for fog.

 

[tompass]

Easy to find in early hours in coastal SC. May be a few cars in the same class as Hyundai Genesis that do not offer fog lights, but I am not aware of same. May just check it out. No question that the Genesis will be a bargain but not a bargain if it does not have the features that one wants and is willing to pay for.