2015 Hyundai Genesis V8 vs V6

[Mark_888]

^^^ +1 environmental LibJob freaks infest auto journalism way too deep. They are nuts, and show their loony biases. In this case, making the case for a smaller power plant.

It is almost always the opposite. They are bored driving so many ordinary cars that they usually swoon over a V8.

Why can't you just take what they say at face value? If you want a V8, that's fine, but no need to come up with ulterior motives for the auto reviewers. There is no reason why everyone needs to agree on everything, that's why cars have different options.

 

[Cut-Throat]

It is almost always the opposite. They are bored driving so many ordinary cars that they usually swoon over a V8.

Why can't you just take what they say at face value? If you want a V8, that's fine, but no need to come up with anterior motives for the auto reviewers. There is no reason why everyone needs to agree on everything, that's why cars have different options.

Totally Agree!....

What I do see a lot of is the swooning over German Cars. There definitely seems to be a Bias there. They look past the reliability issues, if they can take a corner at 90 mph.

 

[Midnightsun]

We know the V8 has variable/selectable CDC suspension which was said to be equivalent in ride to the non cdc equipped V6 when in sport mode. That being said, it seems to mean by selecting a lesser mode than sport, the ride would be softer or even more comfortable in the V8 in comparison to the V6. Goes without saying this would be less sport orientated and maybe more old fashion Cadillac boat style but can be nice depending on the road and how you are driving at certain times. Also very nice to be able to increase/decrease firmness on demand. I am looking forward to more reviews of the CDC suspension.

 

[Mark_888]

We know the V8 has variable/selectable CDC suspension which was said to be equivalent in ride to the non cdc equipped V6 when in sport mode. That being said, it seems to mean by selecting a lesser mode than sport, the ride would be softer or even more comfortable in the V8 in comparison to the V6. Goes without saying this would be less sport orientated and maybe more old fashion Cadillac boat style but can be nice depending on the road and how you are driving at certain times. Also very nice to be able to increase/decrease firmness on demand. I am looking forward to more reviews of the CDC suspension.

That is a good point. The V8 with CDC (continuous damping control suspension) is really for old geezers who can set the ride to "normal" and get a softer ride than the normal non-CDC suspension. Of course, the CDC is not standard on the V8, as it requires the Ultimate Package, which puts the MSRP at $55,700.

 

[Midnightsun]

That is a good point. The V8 with CDC (continuous damping control suspension) is really for old geezers who can set the ride to "normal" and get a softer ride than the normal non-CDC suspension. Of course, the CDC is not standard on the V8, as it requires the Ultimate Package, which puts the MSRP at $55,700.

I look at it differently. Means the V6 is set up for handling/comfort which is always a compromise and makes the ride a little stiffer than need be for everyday use. Point is, you get choose what suits you best at any given time. Yes the price does get up there. Heck in Canada we can only get the V8 with AWD and I belive the ultimate. This lists at $62,000. A $10,000 increase compared to the previous Rspec however it does add AWD and a $hitload of new tech along with an upgrade in class to E series level.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

^^^ +1 environmental LibJob freaks infest auto journalism way too deep. They are nuts, and show their loony biases. In this case, making the case for a smaller power plant.

When Buick dropped the full size Lucerne and made the LaCrosse the new flagship, the media all harped ridiculous words like "cavernous" when discuss interior room. It's a midsize car and there's nothing "cavernous" about it.

It is almost always the opposite. They are bored driving so many ordinary cars that they usually swoon over a V8.

I think it's more politically correct - especially so in the media - to swoon over V6s over V8s for gas economy...

We know the V8 has variable/selectable CDC suspension which was said to be equivalent in ride to the non cdc equipped V6 when in sport mode. That being said, it seems to mean by selecting a lesser mode than sport, the ride would be softer or even more comfortable in the V8 in comparison to the V6. Goes without saying this would be less sport orientated and maybe more old fashion Cadillac boat style but can be nice depending on the road and how you are driving at certain times. Also very nice to be able to increase/decrease firmness on demand. I am looking forward to more reviews of the CDC suspension.

Hyundai is a little late to that party (following Lexus) but Lexus did exactly this - they replaced Cadillac in America. While Cadillac was downsizing (canceled their full size flagship) and making cars more "European" (sporty), Lexus came in right beneath their nose and built the ultimate Cadillac - the Lexus LS400...

Still, there's a place for soft riding cars like this. And if they're as capable and impressive as the 2015 Genesis, they'll sell very nicely.

 

[Midnightsun]

Hyundai is a little late to that party (following Lexus) but Lexus did exactly this - they replaced Cadillac in America. While Cadillac was downsizing (canceled their full size flagship) and making cars more "European" (sporty), Lexus came in right beneath their nose and built the ultimate Cadillac - the Lexus LS400...

Kia is betting on it as everything I have read about their K900 is that it is comfort oriented. They claim the suspension is amazing for comfort however wallows like an old fashion cadillac if pushed hard. CD says "The suspension is tuned more for comfort than engagement" and as I mentioned before you can"t have both but the CDC may prove you can come close. This is where the Genesis with CDC may shine as you may be able to vary this enough to hopefully have the best of both worlds.

 

[Mark_888]

I think it's more politically correct - especially so in the media - to swoon over V6s over V8s for gas economy...

We are not talking about the regular media here, we are talking about automotive reviewers. Most of them work for free (or peanuts) as freelance writers just to get a chance to drive exciting new cars and a couple of free meals (and in the case of Genesis a free vacation), and there is no political correctness involved.

In fact, if someone writes for Car and Driver or other similar publications, they had better lean toward fast cars with stiff suspensions or they will not get published. Some of them may try and anticipate what the average consumer would want in terms of HP and MPG tradeoff, and steer their recommendations that way, but that has nothing to do with political correctness.

 

[Mark_888]

Kia is betting on it as everything I have read about their K900 is that it is comfort oriented. They claim the suspension is amazing for comfort however wallows like an old fashion cadillac if pushed hard. CD says "The suspension is tuned more for comfort than engagement" and as I mentioned before you can"t have both but the CDC may prove you can come close. This is where the Genesis with CDC may shine as you may be able to vary this enough to hopefully have the best of both worlds.

For the Genesis, CDC only is available with the V8 Ultimate Package, which is a $55K MSRP vehicle, and not very good MPG. Unless the 2015 Genesis sells at a pretty big discount off list, I just don't see it. 2014 Equus are going for $51K and they also have an adjustable suspension.

 

[Midnightsun]

For the Genesis, CDC only is available with the V8 Ultimate Package, which is a $55K MSRP vehicle, and not very good MPG. Unless the 2015 Genesis sells at a pretty big discount off list, I just don't see it. 2014 Equus are going for $51K and they also have an adjustable suspension.

The Equus is unfortunately old school now with the release of the 2015 Genesis which is miles ahead in tech, build and price to go with it. Believe me, when they do upgrade the Equus to 2.0, it will be quit a bit more than 51K. Heck they were giving a $10,000 rebate on the 2014 Genesis here in Canada because they will be a hard sell once the 2015's show up. Even the Kia K900 which is Kia's answer to the Equus starts at $60500 and ad VIP you hit $66,500.

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[Mark_888]

The Equus is unfortunately old school now with the release of the 2015 Genesis which is miles ahead in tech, build and price to go with it. Believe me, when they do upgrade the Equus to 2.0, it will be quit a bit more than 51K. Heck they were giving a $10,000 rebate on the 2014 Genesis here in Canada because they will be a hard sell once the 2015's show up. Even the Kia K900 which is Kia's answer to the Equus starts at $60500 and ad VIP you hit $66,500.

The $51K USD price on 2014 Equus is based on $10K discount that some are saying you can get in USA. Yes, there is some fancy electronics in the 2015 Genesis V8 Ultimate Package, but I personally don't really care about most of that stuff. I doubt that very many others are going to spring for the 2015 Genesis V8 Ultimate Package either.

 

[Alwaysforward]

I want all the bells and whistles in mine. I drive cars over 10 years before buying a new one so this time I want every tech option available and yes, the extended warranty to go with it.

 

[larry'sown]

I have no personal knowledge of this subject, and was just reporting what many of the professional auto reviewers said (the CDC sport mode was about the same as the V6 standard suspension).

The F/R weight distribution advantage for the V6 has been noted by many professional auto reviewers since 2009, and I doubt that the 2015 is any different. You cannot overcome the laws of physics.

This is starting to sound like people trying to convince me that candy tastes better than broccoli (true) and that candy is also better nutritionally (false). You can't have it both ways, a smaller/lighter engine is going to be less powerful, but the car will be more nimble. That's the way it has been for billions of years.

2009 Genesii didnt have a CDC suspension. How much do you want to bet that the 5.0 will handily out-perform the 3.8 on a track and in the figure 8?

 

[gameday22]

2009 Genesis didn't have a CDC suspension. How much do you want to bet that the 5.0 will handily out-perform the 3.8 on a track and in the figure 8?

If it's not AWD then I would agree with you, or if the V8 had an AWD option here. Providing the V6 remains close to it's previous weight distribution of 52/48, add AWD (only 165 lbs which I'd think is fairly well balanced) and it will be faster through the corners, making up for any advantage the V8 might offer in the straight away.....this is of course if Hyundai did their homework with the HTRAC AWD system.

Daily driving on straight roads the V8 wins from a performance standpoint of course, there is no replacement for displacement. But that is also subject to where you live etc. Take the V8 and V6 AWD and put them on some of the roads where my brother lives in NC and I could see the V6 leaving the V8 behind through the twisting roads, AWD in bad weather and once again it wins. If I'm going to have poor gas mileage I'll take mine with AWD please.


I'd love to see both of them on the Nürburgring track going at it:

 

[Mark_888]

2009 Genesii didnt have a CDC suspension. How much do you want to bet that the 5.0 will handily out-perform the 3.8 on a track and in the figure 8?

Not sure what you mean by "out-perform". The 5.0 has a lot more HP, so it can go faster in some situations. That does not concern most car buyers IMO since most are not racing their car. I assume that is why most of professional auto reviewers suggested that most customers would be happier with the V6. If you want a V8, that is OK with me, but the suggestion is that most people will not want or need it.

Regarding my claim that the V6 is more nimble than the V8 (with or without CDC), I don't think the CDC option on the Ultimate can completely change the laws of physics with an adjustable suspension. The V6 is lighter overall and is closer to the 50-50 F/R ideal weight distribution than the V8. We don't know the exact numbers, especially since someone is now claiming that the 2015 V* is 400 lbs heavier than the V6, when before it was 200 lbs more (but not sure I believe that).

 

[YEH]

When Buick dropped the full size Lucerne and made the LaCrosse the new flagship, the media all harped ridiculous words like "cavernous" when discuss interior room. It's a midsize car and there's nothing "cavernous" about it.

Really?

All I remember are the complaints about the lack of rear headroom and the gun-slit windows.

I think it's more politically correct - especially so in the media - to swoon over V6s over V8s for gas economy...

I don't know about that.

Pretty much all the swooning is over the V8 Pony cars and the SRT-8 300 and not the V6 versions.

I think this has more to do w/ the 5.0 not showing as much disparity when it comes to 0-60 acceleration as the real difference is seen in passing speeds.

Hyundai is a little late to that party (following Lexus) but Lexus did exactly this - they replaced Cadillac in America. While Cadillac was downsizing (canceled their full size flagship) and making cars more "European" (sporty), Lexus came in right beneath their nose and built the ultimate Cadillac - the Lexus LS400...

When Lexus came out w/ the LS400, Cadillac was still in its blue-hair special days with tarted up versions of FWD Chevys/Buicks.

Still, there's a place for soft riding cars like this. And if they're as capable and impressive as the 2015 Genesis, they'll sell very nicely.

Think the new 5.0 is tuned more to be a luxo-cruiser than the 3.8 (notwithstanding the CDC option and the weight distribution) since what would be the point of making it more sporty if Hyundai comes out w/ a performance line or at least a sport-oriented trim?

Maybe down the road - Hyundai will be able to offer a sport-trim (like the V-Sport) on both the V6 and V8, as well as a proper performance line.

Still, I wouldn't think (based on what I have read) that the 5.0 w/o the CDC is more soft than the E Class (at the very least prior to its MCE enhancements).

Kia is betting on it as everything I have read about their K900 is that it is comfort oriented. They claim the suspension is amazing for comfort however wallows like an old fashion cadillac if pushed hard. CD says "The suspension is tuned more for comfort than engagement" and as I mentioned before you can"t have both but the CDC may prove you can come close. This is where the Genesis with CDC may shine as you may be able to vary this enough to hopefully have the best of both worlds.

That's b/c the K900 is based on the current Equus platform and tho it is probably a little better of a handler than the Equus (being a bit smaller and maybe a little better steering feel), not really able to change its stripes until Hyundai dials up the sportiness a bit w/ the next Equus platform.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Really? All I remember are the complaints about the lack of rear headroom and the gun-slit windows.

There are surely reviews that stated otherwise - I didn't read every review - but the few reviews that I read went on about how big the car was. And it annoyed me. I'm not a fan of the downsizing of automobiles.

 

[YEH]

^ Well, the LaCrosse is big for a midsizer, tho it rather minimized its passenger space in lieu of having a sleeker roofline/greenhouse.

The new Sonata loses some of its sleekness in its roofline/greenhouse - but gains some in rear passenger headroom (I'm guessing Hyundai noted the complaints about that).