333Hp? Why is Genesis so slow?

[genesis r spec]

I've yet to find where "0-60 times" got this information for the Genesis Sedan. They supposedly scour the web for reviews and report back a reliable number, but this one is a bit far-fetched for a stock V6, imo. I've read every review out there and came to the conclusion that one of their editors must have mistakenly attributed a Coupe time to the Sedan.

Hell, I barely got that time with intake and exhaust mods on the lightest weight V6 model. I peg a stock V6 at around 6 seconds flat, which is on par with the Camry I would say. Curious to see what the 2015 is capable of with less power but a supposedly more user-friendly torque curve.

2009 3.8 sedan 0-60=5.9 1/4 mile=14.3....i drove the 2013 genesis v-6 sedan....it accelerated quickly...not much off the 5.0 sedan i bought....i drove them back to back...i almost bought the v-6 because it accelerated very quickly...btw the 2009 4.6 sedan did 0-60=5.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.9. im sure these times are accurate to 1-2 tenths......so i would be willing to say that the those genesis v-6 numbers are pretty accurate

 

[Waki]

Your comments are absurd. Did you check to see if the Genny was tied to the garage. It is VERY fast and will blow away any Camry. ( I have )

 

[genesis r spec]

Your comments are absurd. Did you check to see if the Genny was tied to the garage. It is VERY fast and will blow away any Camry. ( I have )

thats why i put up some test numbers to legitimize the genesis 3.8's quickness. the camry is quick but the genesis 333 is faster. i know that since i owned a camry v-6 and have driven the new 3.8. i bought the 5.0 r psec genesis because it is the fastest and i got a great deal on it (38k new). they wanted 36k for a loaded new 3.8 sedan. so it was a no brainer.

both the 290hp + 333 hp genesis are quick cars. so are infiniti g35's, g37's, m35's, m37's, and is 350's...etc...etc.... just sign of the times.. a lot of todays v-6's are in the the high 13 second 1/4 mile range and are quicker than early to mid 2000 v-8's.

enjoy the 3.8...at least there are some mods u can do to boost power (headers+cai) that are not available for the 5.0 r spec v-8

 

[Frogg]

V6 is plenty fast. put in manual and floor it, let the computer up shift.

 

[stuofsci02]

Feeling fast and being fast are two different things..

The Genesis feels kinda slow until you look at the speedo climbing. It is quiet and comfortable, has a linear power band, and seems very effortless.

I used to have a 2005 Altima V-6 that was 248HP. That car felt really fast because when you got on it, it got loud and introduced so much torque steer you really felt like you were hanging onto a rocket for dear life.

My butt Dyno says my Altima was faster, but the reality is that it isn't..

My old Sentra 2.0 with 145 HP felt fast too because at 4,000RPM there was a big hump in the power curve. It felt like all of a sudden the car had go psycho..

The 0-60 times of high 5s show that the Genesis is very fast, regardless of how it feels. It would be even faster if the traction control didn't limit output off the line..

 

[Philth]

It would be even faster if the traction control didn't limit output off the line..

Then the car would spin out of control and crash.

 

[stuofsci02]

Then the car would spin out of control and crash.

I am referring to straight line acceleration. The ESC attempt to prevent wheel spin is too agressive an causes the car to be slow off the line.

 

[blubyu]

Then the car would spin out of control and crash.

lol, one doesn't need to be on the road if they can't control a stock Genesis.

 

[rhubarb9999]

I never thought I would see anyone discussing the 0-60 times for a Camry.

 

[chronic]

Here is the Camry V6 doing a 0-60mph

Notice how unruffled the entire performance is.

The Genesis revs lots but with little forward thrust.

[ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjLLqIfmCc[/ame]

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[PMCErnie]

^How do you explain that the Genesis gets there first? Next time you take a test drive in a Genesis, take it up to 60 and beyond.

 

[Jimmmmbo!]

Sorry, but I find the responses here a little odd. The OP said he took a "test drive". I'm not sure what everyone else thinks they get out of a test drive to compare to 0-60 numbers (or any other acceleration numbers).

I test drove the 3.8L Genesis V6 and it didn't feel fast at all. It felt heavy, sluggish & unresponsive.

My friend has a Camry V6 with only 268hp and I'd say it would would walk all over the Genesis. The Camry V6 is quick, responsive and it accelerates with urgency. Plus it only has a 6-speed auto vs 8-speed for Genesis. But the Camry shifts much faster..

Anyone know the reason? Is Hyundai just fluffing the HP numbers?

This, in my mind is an easy answer. And it has nothing to do with standing start acceleration.

Drive a V6 Genesis around (like mine) in just "general" driving, and you recognize right away how the computer programming of transmission downshifts at low speeds in city driving can lead someone to say "this thing is slow!"

I think the OP is responding to the slow reaction of the computer to quick presses of the "gas" and not getting anything right away, and certainly not unless you push it to the pedal detent. This is all obviously done to the benefit of gas mileage.

I could be wrong, and the OP can correct me. But I suspect the bigger question is: "Why won't this car respond to my immediate request of the gas pedal at reasonable speeds in city and highway driving without flooring it?"

Personally, I find the V6 severely lacking in response to throttle inputs that are anything less than 75% in "normal" driving conditions. Also, I believe this vehicle is "drive-by-wire" which puts the computer in complete control of how to respond to throttle changes.

As sad as this statement sounds, our 2009 Elantra is more responsive to throttle changes in "normal" driving than the Genesis. (Flame ON!!!)

 

[tompass]

Perhaps the '15 will be improved regarding responsiveness of throttle. Question still remains whether or not it will have performance numbers that are acceptable and at least as good as present V6.

 

[PMCErnie]

I'm sure that most of us are able to motivate around town quite nicely without "flooring it" continuously. In the end, the standard auto performance measures are 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. The Genesis wins in both performance measures vs the Camry, despite being heavier. Another plus for the Genesis is that it does not look like a potato cart.

 

[RonJ]

I test drove the 3.8L Genesis V6 and it didn't feel fast at all. It felt heavy, sluggish & unresponsive.

My friend has a Camry V6 with only 268hp and I'd say it would would walk all over the Genesis. The Camry V6 is quick, responsive and it accelerates with urgency. Plus it only has a 6-speed auto vs 8-speed for Genesis. But the Camry shifts much faster..

Anyone know the reason? Is Hyundai just fluffing the HP numbers?

In your dreams. I just traded a Camry SE V6 at 271HP & 6 speed auto and believe me, the Genny with it's 333HP will blow the doors off the V6 Camry under any circumstance, be it from a dead stop or roll on the throttle at 70 mph. I can say that after driving the Camry for seven years and the Genny for seven months. How long a test drive did you go for? I won't go into the Toyota auto six that had a mind of it's own and once in a while wouldn't drive at all.

RonJ

 

[Mark_888]

In your dreams. I just traded a Camry SE V6 at 271HP & 6 speed auto and believe me, the Genny with it's 333HP will blow the doors off the V6 Camry under any circumstance, be it from a dead stop or roll on the throttle at 70 mph. I can say that after driving the Camry for seven years and the Genny for seven months. How long a test drive did you go for? I won't go into the Toyota auto six that had a mind of it's own and once in a while wouldn't drive at all.

I don't think he was referring to a 7-8 year old Camry, regardless of HP rating.

 

[sooththetruth]

Really, there are three different arguments going on here: 1. Whether the Genesis is faster than a Camry. I believe that question is answered: The Genesis is faster.

2. Whether the Genesis now is faster than that of 2009 and 2010 before the 8 speed transmission and programming for fuel economy. I suspect the new Genesis is faster, but I am not sure. Certainly the fuel consumption is improved and power at the crank is improved.

3. Whether the new Genesis is as much fun as the 2010. Ah, that is a subjective judgement. In my opinion the sensitive throttle response of the older Genesis' created a more fun daily driving experience. The Drive By Wire, 8 speed transmission with fuel saving programming, ALBEIT WITH PLENTY OF KICK IF YOU REPROGRAM YOUR BRAIN TO GET DEEP INTO THE PEDAL, that defines the newer car just DOES MAKE THE CAR FEEL SLUGGISH AND HEAVY in the newer versions. I suspect the new car gives you the chance to have everything: better fuel economy and faster response as long as you retrain you foot. But for the first time driver it doesn't feel like fun, and it seems like a different kind of person will buy the newer Genesis.

They're both great cars. I decided that despite the modicum of improvement in fuel usage, I was going to save a lot of money by NOT trading in my old one for the newer one that looks only modestly different (i like the old look better, too, by the way) and drives like a slug. I can spend the difference in cost on fuel and enjoy my car EVERY DAY, and hopefully for years to come.. Yeah.

No right or wrong answer, only the right answer for an individual.

 

[RonJ]

I don't think he was referring to a 7-8 year old Camry, regardless of HP rating.

My guess would be that 271HP seven years ago is the same as 271HP to-day. Cars might be a little lighter to-day, but that's about it. Mind you, I've been wrong before.

RonJ

 

[Mark_888]

My guess would be that 271HP seven years ago is the same as 271HP to-day. Cars might be a little lighter to-day, but that's about it. Mind you, I've been wrong before.

RonJ

Both the Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 have tons of HP, and people complain about acceleration all the time on this forum. There is more to consider than just HP, including transmission, transmission firmware, throttle mechanism, main engine computer, etc. The guy posted a video of new Camry V6 0-60 run, and it seems pretty fast to me. The Genesis has known issues with stuttering at the line.

I would not be surprised if the 2015 Genesis accelerates faster off the line than before, even though rated HP is lower in 2015.

 

[chronic]

Both the Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 have tons of HP, and people complain about acceleration all the time on this forum. There is more to consider than just HP, including transmission, transmission firmware, throttle mechanism, main engine computer, etc. The guy posted a video of new Camry V6 0-60 run, and it seems pretty fast to me. The Genesis has known issues with stuttering at the line.

I would not be surprised if the 2015 Genesis accelerates faster off the line than before, even though rated HP is lower in 2015.

Thankyou! Finally someone understands! I'm not bashing the Genesis. I'm just saying that I was expecting much more performance from its high powered 333hp V6. Leading me to believe that Hyundai has overrated the actual HP number.

But since everyone here is mentioning problems with transmission, throttle response etc then I guess the slow acceleration is a flaw and not an engine problem.

But one thing I know is that Hyundai's motors are known to be quite 'peaky' in that they developed peak torque at high RPMs, normally above 5000rpm and their torque curve isn't very flat. I guess that also counts.

Here is the torque curve of the 2GR-FE Camry V6 engine;