Aftermarket Oil Filters

[Mark_888]

And how can anyone outside of a sophisticated test lab, tell if one filter is better than another?? The filter company's advertising sure isn't the way.

I have always changed my own oil also, but I'm getting tired of rolling around on the concrete. The dealer will change my oil (little waiting) for less than $20 when I supply the oil. Between the reduced wear and tear on my joints and the assurance about maintaining my warranty, he gets to do the work.

By the way, they'll let me watch them do the work and get an oil sample for lab testing--------maybe not all dealers will do that.

Keep in mind that I have only purchased OEM filters for my Genesis, so I am not on some sort of soapbox about this. But one thing that makes Mobil 1 oil filters better than most OEM filters (don't know about the Mobil 1 Genesis filters) is that they use a better filter element, usually made of synthetic material that does a better job of filtering (according to most tests I have seen). Another thing that can make one filter better than another is the amount of filter area (number of pleats).

Also important on some filters is the type and quality of materials used for anti-drain back valves, o-rings, etc. Then there is overall construction, such as use of metal parts or durable plastic rather than cardboard (although maybe not as important in a cartridge type filter).

 

[Philth]

Agree with Mark's assessment. However, don't think there are anti-drain back valves in our filters at all.

 

[Mark_888]

Agree with Mark's assessment. However, don't think there are anti-drain back valves in our filters at all.

No, but there is an internal o-ring (green o-ring on the original OEM ones with black end caps) that I believe functions as same. On the Genesis, both the oil filter housing (reusable) and the filter cartridge (replaced at each oil change) work together in a way that a complete metal screw on filter works, so things like a anti-drain back valve work a bit differently.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

No, but there is an internal o-ring (green o-ring on the original OEM ones with black end caps) that I believe functions as same. On the Genesis, both the oil filter housing (reusable) and the filter cartridge (replaced at each oil change) work together in a way that a complete metal screw on filter works, so things like a anti-drain back valve work a bit differently.

Nope, that O ring is for the drain plug for the filter housing. You pull the plug to drain the filter before you remove the end cap and change the filter.

But you knew that.

 

[Mark_888]

Nope, that O ring is for the drain plug for the filter housing. You pull the plug to drain the filter before you remove the end cap and change the filter.

But you knew that.

So doesn't the internal green o-ring prevent the filter from draining when the housing is screwed in and the cartridge is properly seated?

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Maybe we're talking different O rings then.

The WIX filter comes with 2 O rings. One for the housing cover and a smaller one for the drain plug of the filter assembly. Never seen an O ring inside when I remove the filter.

 

[Philth]

Maybe we're talking different O rings then.

The WIX filter comes with 2 O rings. One for the housing cover and a smaller one for the drain plug of the filter assembly. Never seen an O ring inside when I remove the filter.

Only the 2011 and below have the removable inner tube...

 

[Mark_888]

Maybe we're talking different O rings then.

The WIX filter comes with 2 O rings. One for the housing cover and a smaller one for the drain plug of the filter assembly. Never seen an O ring inside when I remove the filter.

If you have the OEM filter made by Mann with the black hard-plastic end caps there are green o-rings inside the filter at either end (not talking about the newer OEM ones made by Mahle with softer white end-caps--some after-market versions may have black and white end caps).

Here is a pic of what I am talking about (green o-ring embedded in filter that prevents drain back).
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[scottdk]

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[Crusty Old Shellback]

OK, we are talking about different ones then. I'm talking about the small O ring in the second picture you posted.

On a different note. Last time I did my oil change, I used a Fram filter. Well yesterday I had the dealer do my oil change as they were also doing other work. Dealer told me not to use the Fram filter as it is too long and they found it crushed inside the canister. So just a note for you DIY guys, stay away from the Fram filters.

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[Philth]

OK, we are talking about different ones then. I'm talking about the small O ring in the second picture you posted.

On a different note. Last time I did my oil change, I used a Fram filter. Well yesterday I had the dealer do my oil change as they were also doing other work. Dealer told me not to use the Fram filter as it is too long and they found it crushed inside the canister. So just a note for you DIY guys, stay away from the Fram filters.

Sweet, thanks. I stay away from those anyhow.

 

[Mark_888]

OK, we are talking about different ones then. I'm talking about the small O ring in the second picture you posted.

On a different note. Last time I did my oil change, I used a Fram filter. Well yesterday I had the dealer do my oil change as they were also doing other work. Dealer told me not to use the Fram filter as it is too long and they found it crushed inside the canister. So just a note for you DIY guys, stay away from the Fram filters.

Remember, there are two different Hyundai Genesis sedan oil filters:

• 2009-2011? made by Mann and sold as Hyundai OEM and many after-market brands also. This has black plastic end-caps and green o-rings inside at both ends (in addition to o-rings that fit on the cap wand). This same filter works for both V6 and V8 for 2009-2011 (but has different part numbers due to packaging with oil drain pan washers, etc).
• 2012+ (also apparently on some 2011 V8's) made by Mahle with white end-caps (slightly different shape of end caps compared to earlier filters). This is for the V8.

Since the original Hyundai OEM filter and the Fram are identical (both made by Mann), the real problem is that there is a lot of confusion as to whether one can use the older Mann filters with black end-caps in 2012+ cars. From what I can tell looking at the parts catalog, the old filters still work in the 2012+ V6, but not in the 2012+ V8's, and the new Mahle filters are apparently backward compatible with the old 2009-2011 V8 oil filter housings.

So in summary, there is nothing wrong with the Fram oil filter for the Genesis if you have a V6 (since it is identical to the Hyundai OEM). But don't use that on a 2012+ V8, because as noted by your dealer, it is not the correct size.

Regarding Fram in general, they make 4 different filter grades for most cars (not including the Genesis) and cheapest ones are not very well made and have given Fram a bad reputation. The more expensive Fram's are quite good.

• Extra Guard - Junk filter with cardboard end-caps used by oil change places.
• High Mileage - Time-Released additives for high mileage cars (same gimmick as high mileage oils and should be avoided unless your car is burning oil).
• Tough Guard - Decent filter equivalent to most OEM filters. Silicone anti-drainback valve.
• Ultra - Excellent filter with dual layer synthetic media, metal screen, silicone anti-drainback valve, designed to last 15K miles.

Fram (Honeywell) also makes filters of varying quality for other companies sold under different brand names.

Please, please do not generalize about the quality of a certain brand name of oil filter because:

• The same company may make more than one quality of filter
• The filter they sell may actually be made by someone else (such as the "Fram" oil filter for Genesis sedan).

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

This was a Fram filter made for the 2012 5.0 R spec V8 as per the part number.

I'll stick with the OEM or WIX as the WIX is the same as the OEM. OEM filter is only 8 bucks anyways. Then again, I may just start letting the dealer do my oil changes. 40 bucks without a coupon. 25 with. And that includes a full vechicle inspection with report and a car wash.

 

[Mark_888]

This was a Fram filter made for the 2012 5.0 R spec V8 as per the part number.

I'll stick with the OEM or WIX as the WIX is the same as the OEM. OEM filter is only 8 bucks anyways. Then again, I may just start letting the dealer do my oil changes. 40 bucks without a coupon. 25 with. And that includes a full vechicle inspection with report and a car wash.

What I am saying is that there is nothing wrong with the Fram filter per se (it is really identical to the Hyundai OEM for 2009-2011) except that there is an error being made in that Fram specifies their Mann filter for the 2012+ V8, and that is wrong since Hyundai now specificities only the Mahle filter for 2012+ V8.

What is confusing to almost everyone is that the new Mahle filter is backward compatible to the 2009-2011 V8, but the old Mann filter is not forward compatible to the 2012+ V8. The reason for this is apparently that the Mahle end-caps are flexible, and the Mann end-caps are hard plastic.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Too much confusion. easier to stick with OEM or WIX which I know to be correct. I don't want to have to go back and forth trying to find the correct filter.

 

[Mark_888]

Too much confusion. easier to stick with OEM or WIX which I know to be correct. I don't want to have to go back and forth trying to find the correct filter.

Unfortunately, that might not always help, as some Hyundai parts and service personnel are even confused about this. That is why in another thread, some Hyundai service adviser claimed (incorrectly) that the warranty was voided for using a Wix filter in a pre-2012 Hyundai V8 (with black plastic end caps and identical to the Hyundai OEM filter for 2009-2011), since Hyundai now specifies (in their parts catalog I found online) that all Genesis V8's (including 2009-2011) use the new Mahle filters with white end caps, even though the new Mahle filters were not even available until mid-2011. (What a f'ing mess.)

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Well if I go back to letting the dealer do my oil changes, then I have no issues. If they use the wrong one, then it's on them to fix and problems that arise from it.

 

[QuantumRift]

What's the evidence to support the claim that the K&N filter is the worst filter on the market? And please do not cite that worn out, unsubstantiated pseudo 'test'...

You should never never worry about quality of a OEM filter as the manufacturer will ever cut corners. The ones to be concerned are the aftermarket filters as they cut corners to increase profit margins. It's like that K&N you are running . The worst filter on the market the reason for all the extra air flow is they don't filter and let a lot of junk by to tear up your engine. Just my .02 cents

 

[QuantumRift]

Hey what about the Mobil filter (as well as price) on Amazon?

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-M1C-255-Extended-Performance-Filter/dp/B00B2PYP7Q/ref=au_pf_ss_9?ie=UTF8&Make=Hyundai|3&Model=Genesis|6832&Year=2012|2012&carId=003&n=15684181&s=automotive"]Mobil 1 M1C-255 Extended Performance Oil Filter : Amazon.com : Automotive[/ame]

 

[Mark_888]

Hey what about the Mobil filter (as well as price) on Amazon?

I would like to see some close up pics of that one (see it in person).