Anyone concern with the Genesis Low Sales Figures

[zedbyers]

as for the OP, i am not concerned. i have 2 standing offers to purchase my genny when it comes off lease, as i will more than likely be looking into a 2011/2012 model.

 

[sandy]

Wow! I am a very new poster here and I can't believe the rudeness! I was a moderator years ago on another very different board. I would not have allowed this kind of thing to continue. There are ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

I have no problems with the suspension on my 2009 Genesis. Yes, the ride is firmer than the Buick I traded in but I expected that. On the other hand, I have a better feel for the road in my present car.

Earlier this year I spotted two Genesis on the roads of Ottawa. Since I bought my own two weeks ago, I have not seen any. What I don't understand is not seeing any TV ads for the Genesis. I would have thought that advertising a car that has won around 30 awards this year would be easy. It practically sells itself! Unless and until people are aware that the Genesis exists, they are not going to buy it.

Advertising budgets are usually front-end loaded for new product intros and most likely the majority of the money was spent to support the "launch" during the first 4-6 months. I do remember seeing quite a bit back then, particularly in sports programming, Also, remember the Genesis is just one model in Hyundai's line-up, and not one that is expected to generate large volumes/profits. So the budget is allocated accordingly. I'd imagine as the 2010's hits the dealers, the advertising will start up again.

As far as the "rudeness", I can understand your reaction as a new poster but sometimes you need a bit of history to put things into perspective.

 

[sandy]

as for the OP, i am not concerned. i have 2 standing offers to purchase my genny when it comes off lease, as i will more than likely be looking into a 2011/2012 model.

One of the reasons I lease is because you don't have to be concerned.

 

[scottdk]

As far as the "rudeness", I can understand your reaction as a new poster but sometimes you need a bit of history to put things into perspective.

Great point Sandy, very well said.

 

[Mark_888]

You seem always to be concerned about the new posters on here Mark and you say that you repeat yourself about suspension for their sake......... well for their sake lets repeat something else they may not know.............

The truth is............ someone in this forum ( I don't remember who) drove your car Mark....... and they reported that you were full of CRAP regarding the ride of your car........ they even reported that although they were happy with the ride of their Genesis... that they were even happier with the ride of YOUR Genesis....... THIS is the truth that I choose to believe.......

Tying this into the topic at hand......... whatever you may say about Genesis sales....... I find irrelevant........ there are many reasons for sales to slow........ for you to comment about sales slowing because of the suspension like its a matter of fact reminds me of the BULLIES I knew in grade school........

As already noted, all of the above is untrue. Actually, after I purchased it from the dealer with about 20 miles on the OD, no one has driven my car other than me. So I assume in addition to confusing me with Doug on the issue of the test drive by BacktoHyundaibychoice, you have also attributed to me everything Doug posted in this forum. That is a very big mistake.

What I tried to convey is that people may be waiting for the 2010 model for the reason stated (suspension improvements). I don't know why people are so emotional about that. I know of at least 5 people on this forum who said they waited (or are still waiting) for the 2010 model for the suspension changes (the actual number is probably a lot higher).

If I had posted the above tirade, I would have been baned for at least a month.

 

[DeMAN]

I like being one of the few to drive a Genesis also....the exclusivity is definately part of the fun. Considering there are about 250,000,000 cars on the road in the US, and maybe around 25,000 Genesis's, should be rare to spot one for a while to come.

CARLINE SEPT 09 SEPT 08 CY2009 CY2008
GENESIS 1,665 1,029 15,934 2,855

I will attribute these sales numbers to a bad economy and the fact that the genesis was released at the time where the auto industry was seeing contraction.

Total 18789 units between the sedan and coupe since inception. Hyundai doesn't release seperate coupe/sedan numbers

 

[Mark_888]

The original poster was questioning why sales of Genesis were below that of TL implying that people may find TL to be a better car........

The reason for posting this list is to show that sales of cars have nothing to do with the quality of the car.....

You are a Pathetic Man Mark...... Do you work at Mercedes per chance?

While I think the Genesis is a better car overall than the TL, I would not say "that sales of cars have nothing to do with the quality of the car....." if both cars are in the same price range. I think there usually is some relationship between the two, if you take into account the year sold,size of the car, features, and the price of the car. The Model T sold in the millions, but obviously that was a long time ago. At the time, it was the best car for the money.

No, I don't work for Mercedes. I have nothing to do with the auto industry. Do you?

 

[kaberle]

Kaberle:

I'd be the last person to defend Mark, but in fairness...

Your memory of the "vehicle swap" is exactly right except for one detail:
I drove Doug's car, not Mark's.

That said, I hope the mods take your total contributions into account before bouncing you because of one day of frustration. It's not my board but I understand.

I stand corrected............ The point is the same...... thank you for the correction

 

[kaberle]

While I think the Genesis is a better car overall than the TL, I would not say "that sales of cars have nothing to do with the quality of the car....." if both cars are in the same price range. I think there usually is some relationship between the two, if you take into account the year sold,size of the car, features, and the price of the car. The Model T sold in the millions, but obviously that was a long time ago. At the time, it was the best car for the money.

No, I don't work for Mercedes. I have nothing to do with the auto industry. Do you?

I messed up on the test drive with Doug you are right.... The point is the same though......... I will say it again though until I am booted (speaking up for what is right is not a bad thing)....... your points are pathetic and certainly not based on facts most of the time....... and I might point out that you are in full agreement with Doug most of the time regarding suspension so don't try to hide behind him.........

I have received 12 private messages so far and counting from members of this forum who support what I have said on this thread. I am simply voicing what a lot of people are thinking in a rude manner so as not to play into your smooth way of tearing people down.... if you want to tear someone down do not hide behind politeness is what I say........... just do it........

I read other forums and none of the ones I read are hyjacked by someone like you MARK.

 

[Mark_888]

I messed up on the test drive with Doug you are right.... The point is the same though......... I will say it again though until I am booted (speaking up for what is right is not a bad thing)....... your points are pathetic and certainly not based on facts most of the time....... and I might point out that you are in full agreement with Doug most of the time regarding suspension so don't try to hide behind him.........

I have received 12 private messages so far and counting from members of this forum who support what I have said on this thread. I am simply voicing what a lot of people are thinking in a rude manner so as not to play into your smooth way of tearing people down.... if you want to tear someone down do not hide behind politeness is what I say........... just do it........

I read other forums and none of the ones I read are hyjacked by someone like you MARK.

I am not trying to tear anyone down, nor am I hiding behind Doug. It seems to me you are trying to tear me down, but that's just my opinion.

I do believe that the 2009 suspension needed improvement, and apparently Hyundai agrees with that because they changed it on the 2010 model (by all accounts that I have read, the changes are being very well recieved).

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[QCTLG]

I'm not going to send Kaberle a private message...instead I'll just put it in the open here...I TOTALLY agree with Kaberle...period!
I've said it already but I'll say it again...this place is falling apart.
The same crap comes out all the time...

If Kaberle is booted out...please boot me out too!!! This place is NOT what it use to be...
I SUPER afraid to start a thread or ask a question here. This is simply a pity.

Regards,

 

[DeMAN]

Looks like the Genesis has had some sort of impact on the Infiniti M class.

Sales number for sept and YTD 2009 ON THE "M"
M 447 1,077 -58.5 6,741 12,045 -44.0

The Genesis is a more fairer comparison to the M as for size. You do have to go back to the "G series" and acura for comparible pricing.

 

[sandy]

Looks like the Genesis has had some sort of impact on the Infiniti M class.

Sales number for sept and YTD 2009 ON THE "M"
M 447 1,077 -58.5 6,741 12,045 -44.0

The Genesis is a more fairer comparison to the M as for size. You do have to go back to the "G series" and acura for comparible pricing.

That's some drop-off for the M....Must be the suspoension

 

[Sayantsi]

I think you have to keep in mind that the TL is made by a company that has already been established in the minds of many as a luxury company. The fact that the Genesis sold even half as many when it's in it's first year and Hyundai didn't bother with all the "Luxury" branding should probably make Acura concerned. Some people will simply not buy a Hyundai because of the dealer experience alone. I'm lucky that my dealer treats me great, whether I'm buying my Genesis or my daughters Elantra, but this doesn't seem to be a universal experience. Actually, it appears many people experience the opposite, especially compared to the "luxury" experience.

This is a good post - Hyundai is a young brand that is building steam. If you think Acura sales figures are good, keep in mind the brand is 20 years old and never caught on like Lexus. Acuras just aren't great cars - they are for Honda owners that want more cache, but don't pull many people from other makes.

As for the suspension comments - that's a red herring. Anyone who drives a Genesis knows how great the car rides and handles, and if they don't like the suspension and buy one anyway, that seems like a pretty dumb thing to do. Sales figures always drop after summer, the are down after the cash for clunkers program, and there are updates to the 2010 model, all common factors in determining car sales regardless of make.

 

[Sayantsi]

It is certainly good to know who thinks himself as the purveyor of the truth. How about if we want to know the "truth" we'll ask for it? And by the way, truth is not spelled suspension!


Another quote from you (Mark) on this same thread: "I am quite sure that the news of the improved 2010 suspension is a big part of the slow Sept sales. Hyundai originally included the suspension changes in a web page announcing the 2010 sedan, but removed mention of suspension changes a few days later (probably after dealers complained to HMA)."

Mark, your opinion of what is a big part of slow Sept. sales is worth little to nothing. You have no basis in facts that could possibly lead a reasonably logical person to that conclusion.

It is my opinion that you REALLY need to get a life and stop beating this issue any further into the ground. Your obsession with this issue certainly must be unhealthy. And that IS the truth.

Great points.

 

[medhat]

Concerned? Not if I were a potential buyer, because the lower sales volume doesn't give dealers a chance to mark up the price. In 6 months I've had no regrets over my purchase, and the longer the economy stays in the doldrums the better for someone looking for value in this class of car. Hyundai isn't looking to go the GM/Chrysler route, so I'm assuming they're not too worried for the long term.

 

[Sayantsi]

Maybe they are reading about the ride of the 2009 sedan?

It would be hard not to if they read these forums - you spam about your dislike of the Genesis every chance you get. Why don't you tell people that you have a back problem that makes sitting painful when you talk about the bad ride quality? Maybe some full disclosure is needed here, maybe you have buyer's remorse for buying a V6 when you wanted a V8, maybe for paying full MSRP, maybe for doing everything you can to make the V6 like the V8 and still not being happy with the car?

 

[Sayantsi]

Fwiw, here's an article from Hyundai's US CEO talking about the sales growth, and how Hyundai is outperforming with the Genesis.

http://www.detnews.com/article/2009...ndai-s-U.S.-chief-expects-slow-sales-recovery

 

[Mark_888]

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Another quote from you (Mark) on this same thread: "I am quite sure that the news of the improved 2010 suspension is a big part of the slow Sept sales. Hyundai originally included the suspension changes in a web page announcing the 2010 sedan, but removed mention of suspension changes a few days later (probably after dealers complained to HMA)."

Mark, your opinion of what is a big part of slow Sept. sales is worth little to nothing. You have no basis in facts that could possibly lead a reasonably logical person to that conclusion.

Several people seem to agree with the above post, so I feel obligated to defend my position. Certainly the issue of the 2009 suspension is subjective, but it was changed by Hyundai for 2010 and that has caused some people to wait for the 2010's. Here is a partial quote from one such person made just today:

Hello all, been lurking for a few months and this is my first post. I am happy to say that my wife and I have a 2010 Platinum 4.6 Tech sitting in the garage. We looked at numerous sedans and crossovers during the qwest and the Genesis was the clear winner in my mind.

Looks like it is going to take a while to figure out all the gizmos on this beast.

We never drove the 09's because of the suspension tightness that may or may not be there. All I can say is the 2010 has a nice ride in my opinion. We test drove it down the worst road here with all kinds of cracks in the asphalt and had no issues.
....
Thanks.....Grant

Here is a link to the above post:
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=3657

So when some say I "have no basis in facts that could possibly lead a reasonably logical person to that conclusion [that Sept sales have slowed because some are waiting for the 2010], then I would offer the above post as partial evidence. I have read quite a few other similar posts on this and other forums.

I will agree that too many people on this forum seem to be obsessed about the suspension issue. My mention of it to the OP was meant as a simple and reasonable answer to at least partially explain the concern expressed about the drop in Genesis September sales.

Now that the suspension has been improved for 2010, I see a very bright future for the Genesis sedan and for Hyundai as an automaker. I am sure that should make most of us feel upbeat about the Hyundai brand, and maybe we can all put the negativity behind us and we can bury the hatchets (as soon as I have them surgically removed from my back).

 

[Sayantsi]

People aren't even driving 09s because of the relentless crying by some people here who have baseless arguments other than the fact that they don't like their cars. Hyundai is firming the suspension for 2010, and its not going to do anything for those who think the suspension is too firmly spring already, although given the relentless harping by some people here, I'm sure they will cry victory even if it means cutting their nose to spite their face. 2009s drive great, and everyone, save a small group of vocal decriers, thinks so. People don't give awards to cars that ride as poorly as some people here would have you believe.

Mark, you have increasingly little credibility here anymore due to your posts' persistent lack of evidence to back up your "facts".

Now that the suspension has been improved for 2010, I see a very bright future for the Genesis sedan and for Hyundai as an automaker. I am sure that should make most of us feel upbeat about the Hyundai brand, and maybe we can all put the negativity behind us and we can bury the hatchets (as soon as I have them surgically removed from my back).

Have you driven a 2010 Genesis?