Anyone concern with the Genesis Low Sales Figures

[DeMAN]

Credibility is really the issue when you think of it. People normally buy the got-to-have-it cars. Most original owners of cars these days only put about 50k-75k on there cars. Many trade in there cars just before the original factory warranties runs out.

Most any car built these days are capable of making a 50k-75k run without any issues.

BMW for an instance now offers free maintenance for 4 years or 50k miles. They basically had a bad name for high maintenance cost.

 

[Yama1yzf]

#1. It's a "no" from us. No matter how great the car might be, my family would not have given the Genesis a second look if it weren't for: a.) the awards/accolades, b.) the price, c.) the looks, d.) the fact it's a bit different from the crowd, e.) the fact it is not manufactured by a "luxury" brand. That's in descending order of importance.


#2. I agree. If Hyundai made a separate luxury brand when introducing the Genesis, I actually believe their sales would have suffered. If not their sales, then certainly their bottom line, IMO.

The extra expense of a luxury network just isn't worth it to Genesis families like mine; affordable luxury is ample perk in and of itself to us. I'm not sure if we're in the majority, or if those yearning for luxury-esque customer service to go along with their car are, but in the beginning stages of a recession I think Hyundai was wise to build upon it's economical, value reputation just to get the word out. Goodness knows I've ran into (not literally! ) some people who have begun to think twice about Hyundai (and Korean autos in general) after just a look at our car.

Maybe in a few years Hyundai will have the credibility in the North American market to step up it's luxury sales goals. If I may share my opinion: they're on the right track!

Agreed....I lease my cars and I am only going to put 36K miles on it. Hardly broken in. I take it in for oil changes and thats about it. You know they would have to add cost for a luxury dealer network and it would be significant. That's a big part of the reason they were able to keep the price down on the Genesis. If i had to bring my car in often maybe that would play in my decision process but I doubt it.

 

[jailer]

So the Genesis benchmark was the 5 series if I am correct, no?? Maybe I am wrong. Anyway, now that the car has created the interest they wanted to some degree, do you think sales will continue in the current trend with this thing about to come out?

http://www.motorauthority.com/pictures/1036974_rendered-2011-bmw-5-series_gallery-1#100231431

 

[DeMAN]

So the Genesis benchmark was the 5 series if I am correct, no?? Maybe I am wrong. Anyway, now that the car has created the interest they wanted to some degree, do you think sales will continue in the current trend with this thing about to come out?

http://www.motorauthority.com/pictures/1036974_rendered-2011-bmw-5-series_gallery-1#100231431

Yes, the Sedan will do well against this car or any that someone will put on the field. Thats a $50K-$65k car where the Genesis will stay in the $35k-45K area.


We just need the Coupe to get out of the Chevy Cobalt competition and go headup with the Camaro, and G35/37 crowd. (Yes the 4 banger needs to go it i haven't said it enough already)

 

[TJPark01]

So the Genesis benchmark was the 5 series if I am correct, no?? Maybe I am wrong. Anyway, now that the car has created the interest they wanted to some degree, do you think sales will continue in the current trend with this thing about to come out?[/URL]

Yes and no. The cross shop is targeted at C300,CTS,G8,ES350. The engineering inspiration was E Class, 5 Series, GS, & M.

 

[philel]

This forum should be called Genesis-suspension.com. Seriously guys it's getting old.

I am a new member today, and I agree, what is with this suspension talk? I am not going to suggest that people that complain about the same thing are winers but where I come from winers normally are showed the door.

Car rides great if I wanted to drive a floating cloud I would of purchased a Lincoln Town Car, not that is a true POS.

 

[tjc78]

Car rides great if I wanted to drive a floating cloud I would of purchased a Lincoln Town Car, not that is a true POS.

Yeah, Town Cars only rack up 3 or 400,000 miles (or more) as fleet vehicles on the bad roads on NYC. Junk....

 

[jailer]

Yes and no. The cross shop is targeted at C300,CTS,G8,ES350. The engineering inspiration was E Class, 5 Series, GS, & M.

That's what I've read before, was the engineering inspiration. Now, just curious, how difficult could it be to really get the HANDLING up to spec to really hang with the Germans? Specifically the 5.

I'm not talking about "suspension" problems, etc... posted on the whole forum, but just for Hyundai to offer a package that is really on the 5 Series level? What is involved.

 

[TJPark01]

That's what I've read before, was the engineering inspiration. Now, just curious, how difficult could it be to really get the HANDLING up to spec to really hang with the Germans? Specifically the 5.

I'm not talking about "suspension" problems, etc... posted on the whole forum, but just for Hyundai to offer a package that is really on the 5 Series level? What is involved.

It's not really a apples to apples comparison. The Genesis is a much bigger car, not to mention costs half as much as a 550i. Price aside, they are not targeting the 5 series driver. I think they are going for a Red Bull version of the LS460, at half the cost, hpoing that Luxury buyers step down, or entry luxury buyers shun the entry models from the premium manufacturers.

Also, europe is not the target audience for this car, it's us here in North America. Car companies figured out long time ago that the majority of buyers on this continent care less about back roads driving, and more about GT cruising.

 

[jmatero]

Honestly, I thing Hyundai would benefit from creating a BMW "M" line for the Genesis sedan. The current model to go after the Lexus, and a sportier model to go after the 5-series. For the record, the Hyundai is within a few inches in every dimension of the 550i. It is not a much bigger car.. they're almost identical.

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[sandy]

Honestly, I thing Hyundai would benefit from creating a BMW "M" line for the Genesis sedan. The current model to go after the Lexus, and a sportier model to go after the 5-series. For the record, the Hyundai is within a few inches in every dimension of the 550i. It is not a much bigger car.. they're almost identical.

Judging from my BMW buying friends, regardless of how great a car Hyundai presents with the Genesis, it would be very difficult to make the sale, at least at this point in time. These guys are buying the cache/status symbol/etc that comes with the BMW logo. As TJ points out, the target of greatest opportunity for Hyundai are all those $30k-ish model buyers.

 

[TJPark01]

Honestly, I thing Hyundai would benefit from creating a BMW "M" line for the Genesis sedan. The current model to go after the Lexus, and a sportier model to go after the 5-series. For the record, the Hyundai is within a few inches in every dimension of the 550i. It is not a much bigger car.. they're almost identical.

That is what the Equus is for. They're not targeting Mercedes, BMW and Audi. They are going for the Acura/Infiniti/Lexus crowd. The Japanese have gotten over zealous in their pricing, where the spread has narrowed and they are no longer the value they were 10 years ago compared to the Germans. Perhaps we'll be saying the same about the Koreans 10 years from now which may open the door back for the Americans, but that is wishful thinking at this point.

 

[jailer]

Honestly, I thing Hyundai would benefit from creating a BMW "M" line for the Genesis sedan. The current model to go after the Lexus, and a sportier model to go after the 5-series. For the record, the Hyundai is within a few inches in every dimension of the 550i. It is not a much bigger car.. they're almost identical.

Yes, the size of the 5 and G does look pretty much the same. An "M" line might be a little silly for someone like Hyundai at this point, as there just is'nt the amount of "enthusiasts"for an actual "Line", HOWEVER, with regard to straight line performance, they are pretty much equal to the top REGULAR lines of BMW. Hyundai would just need to nail down the in-tangible "communication" between driver and road that BMW has down to a science, and Mercedes is somewhat in that group.

That's where the handling part get's tricky. It's not just "stiffen" this or "loosen" this. I'm sure Hyundai is well aware after they tore apart an E60 and examined every little inch.

 

[jailer]

Judging from my BMW buying friends, regardless of how great a car Hyundai presents with the Genesis, it would be very difficult to make the sale, at least at this point in time. These guys are buying the cache/status symbol/etc that comes with the BMW logo. .

Haha Sandy!! You just nailed it right there. You guys go over to the 5 series forum, and do a search for Genesis in all sections of the E60 forum, and see how they look at it. Alot of them are worried about pulling up to the party or whatever and getting laughed at. "Oh man, did you see Jerry?? He's in a f'kin Hyundai!!!" I guess this is the group, and there are alot of them out there, that might of considered if the car was originally branded just Genesis.

Here is the forum already searched.
http://forums.5series.net/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=fed51c12d497cbc4cac99efdac251d87&search_in=posts&result_type=posts&highlite=%2Bgenesis

 

[TJPark01]

"Oh man, did you see Jerry?? He's in a f'kin Hyundai!!!"

I am in this group of professionals in their mid to late 30's , and let me tell you all my friends are well aware of the Genesis and everyone that has driven it has been blown away. In fact one of my friends bot a 528i AWD with every option you can get for 60k, and everyone has told me (with him not present of course ) that he was a jack ass for buying that car. A tectonic shift has occured with this financial crisis, and people's percetion of excess, Mcmansions, Escalades with chrome rims, etc. has been completely turned upside down.

 

[jailer]

Yeah, I hear you TJ, however, I think maybe that is somewhat of an isolated area/group with regard to impressions. Maybe.
My friends definitely see it differently, and I work all over the Southern CA area. My buddies in other parts of the country see it identical to me, for example in Houston. You want to meet some "badge" types. Go there.

You want to get some hardcore feedback? Go register on that 5 series forum, and start a topic on "what is the problem.........". You will uncover the general mindset, IMO.

 

[TJPark01]

Yeah, I hear you TJ, however, I think maybe that is somewhat of an isolated area/group with regard to impressions. Maybe.
My friends definitely see it differently, and I work all over the Southern CA area. My buddies in other parts of the country see it identical to me, for example in Houston. You want to meet some "badge" types. Go there.
You want to get some hardcore feedback? Go register on that 5 series forum, and start a topic on "what is the problem.........". You will uncover the general mindset, IMO.

I live in Hollywood, believe me I am quite aware of image conscious behavior. I looked at C300 and 328i too. Then I thought, do I want the crappiest Benz or the nicest Hyundai. After I drove the cars, it wasn't even close.

My friend got his wife a fully loaded Prius for 35K. When I picked them up to go to a party last month, they were blown away. Then I told them that I paid about the same for the V8 Genesis and my buddy couldn't believe it. He turned to his wife and said, you could have gotten this instead of that refrigerator on wheels we bought. She said nothing but I could tell; was pissed at his comment.

 

[jailer]

I live in Hollywood, believe me I am quite aware of image conscious behavior. .

I know. What I meant by somewhat isolated was that although you have your fair share of image conscious, you also, IMO, probably have a slightly higher percentage of the more "aware" type than on average around the country.

 

[DeMAN]

People will always look down there nose because it a Hyundai until they take the time to drive one as many of us did.

Hyundai has the backing of there government and can actually get away with things that others would only dream about. Thats not something that a lot a people really need to know here in the states. They seem not to like government supported companies (GM and Chryslers). There are threads going around of several GM sites about whether or not people would actually buy another GM. I personally would.

 

[DeMAN]

CARLINE OCT/2009 OCT/2008 CY/2009 CY/2008

GENESIS 1,850 1,121 17,784 3,976



5 Series 3,043 3,958 -23.1% 32,733 39,289 -16.7%