Confusion About Trim Options - 2.5 vs 3.5

seiyafan

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We went to the dealer with the intention of getting in the queue for a 2.5 and wound up buying a Santa Fe Calligraphy. It had everything we wanted and more for $42K.
I am in the same boat as you, did you test drive the GV70? How's the noise and ride compare to Calligraphy?
 

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if youre getting the 2.5, you might as well get the sante fe.

if the 2.5 isnt quick enough for you, the gv70 is the way to go.

Its why i passed on the sante fe calligraphy a few months ago. While the 2.5 isnt bad, it was lacking the performance I was wanting.

it seems to be what genesis wants, and is evident with their rollout of the gv70 (much more 3.5s available than 2.5s). They want to sell the 3.5s since that engine is more in line with the german competitors and steals customers from those buyers. a fully loaded 2.5 isnt going to steal many bmw/audi owners.
 

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I am in the same boat as you, did you test drive the GV70? How's the noise and ride compare to Calligraphy?
Haven't driven the 2.5L GV70 yet. Local dealer doesn't have one yet. Will definitely do that when one comes in. It would have to be pretty dramatic to get us to not get a car configured the way we want it while writing a check for another $12-$15K.

I'm a patient man.
 

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Like @Billbert , I too find myself swinging back to the Santa Fe Calligraphy. It's $15,000 cheaper than the 3.5T Sport Advanced, and I still get more of the things that are important to me. Here's a chart I put together.

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Like @Billbert , I too find myself swinging back to the Santa Fe Calligraphy. It's $15,000 cheaper than the 3.5T Sport Advanced, and I still get more of the things that are important to me. Here's a chart I put together.

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Good comparison. If you compare a Sonata Limited to the G80 with the 3.5 it is even greater $$$ difference.
 

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Good comparison. If you compare a Sonata Limited to the G80 with the 3.5 it is even greater $$$ difference.
there is a much bigger difference between the sonata and the g80 though. FWD vs RWD/AWD, engines, styling/comfort, etc.

sante fe vs gv70 2.5 is reasonable. Sonata vs g80 3.5 is not.
 

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All things said, in my perfect world, it would be a 2.5L Sport Prestige in Cardiff Green w/tan quilted leather. Heated/vented seats w/heated rear seats and steering wheel. It would be a no brainer

The GV70 styling is the big intangible here. The Santa Fe looks like a 2/3 scale Palisade.

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Here is Savageese review of the top trim Santa Fe for those interested. Mixed bag but mostly positive. It's a solid contender at that price point. The questions is can you find them and at what price?

 

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There are supposedly two Calligraphy's at a dealer here in Phoenix and the window sticker is $44,445 with destination and paint. Probably a mark up as well with the usual dealer extra's so your not getting out of there for under 46 large in this market. I don't know how that compares to any version of the GV70. If I wanted to stay under 50k I would have probably gotten a loaded Mazda CX-9. Yes it doesn't have as much HP and it's going to get updated soon but my ex has a 2018 and that thing is so solid and never has so much as a rattle in almost 4 years and 60k miles. Highly under-rated SUV.
 

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there is a much bigger difference between the sonata and the g80 though. FWD vs RWD/AWD, engines, styling/comfort, etc.

sante fe vs gv70 2.5 is reasonable. Sonata vs g80 3.5 is not.
Sure, bigger difference but if you want the HUD and surround camera, the difference is about $30,000. I don't drive as much these days. Guess what my 2023 model car will be.

Everyone has a limit and I can't justify the extra 30k for 5000 miles a year.
 

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Many here (self included) expressed disappointment in the trim options selections (& prices) when they came out, so I fully understand weighing your options. It's just not easy to ignore the styling that caught our eyes in the first place.

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I can't get my head around the front end/headlights on the Santa Fe. I didn't like the older version 2 years ago with the lights down low and apparently no one else did because they changed it so quickly to this which makes even less sense. Other than that I like the shape...
 

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if youre getting the 2.5, you might as well get the sante fe.

if the 2.5 isnt quick enough for you, the gv70 is the way to go.

Its why i passed on the sante fe calligraphy a few months ago. While the 2.5 isnt bad, it was lacking the performance I was wanting.

it seems to be what genesis wants, and is evident with their rollout of the gv70 (much more 3.5s available than 2.5s). They want to sell the 3.5s since that engine is more in line with the german competitors and steals customers from those buyers. a fully loaded 2.5 isnt going to steal many bmw/audi owners.
Keep in mind that all of the Hyudai and Kia vehicles with the 2.5T, are paired to a DCT, where Genesis is using a traditional automatic. To some people, like me, any DCT is a deal breaker.
 

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Keep in mind that all of the Hyudai and Kia vehicles with the 2.5T, are paired to a DCT, where Genesis is using a traditional automatic. To some people, like me, any DCT is a deal breaker.
Your post makes me curious. I’ve had several rides with DTC, most recently an Audi RS5 and now the Calligraphy. In the Santa Fe, it’s almost unnoticeable although you can tease it a bit in sport mode. It was a bit harsh in the RS5, I admit.

Have you had bad past experience? Have you tried the Genesis w/that tranny? Would be interested in where your bias comes from.
 

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Keep in mind that all of the Hyudai and Kia vehicles with the 2.5T, are paired to a DCT, where Genesis is using a traditional automatic. To some people, like me, any DCT is a deal breaker.
Dct is less of a deal breaker than fwd vs rwd or 2.5t standard engine vs a higher performance 3.5t engine to me though.

It's like comparing a camry vs a lexus performance sedan. They aren't the same demographic
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Sure, bigger difference but if you want the HUD and surround camera, the difference is about $30,000. I don't drive as much these days. Guess what my 2023 model car will be.

Everyone has a limit and I can't justify the extra 30k for 5000 miles a year.
I'm not talking price bigger difference, I'm talking overall car, performance and class difference.
 

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Billbert...My first hand bias against DCTs is limited. Test drive of the original Veloster... terrible, slow, jerky all around. Also test drove an Audi A5 2.0T once and did not care for the way it felt. DCT's are slower off the line from a stop compared to traditional automatics (unless using some type of launch mode that will dump the DCT clutch at a higher RPM). The less power a car has, the more this becomes apparent. DCTs tend to have harsher shift characteristics. Then you typically have more frequent fluid change maintanance requirements for a DCT, and I have yet to hear of any DCT that has been super reliable. My perspective on relibility is a little skewed since I am now used to 'Toyota Reliablity'. If you search the current reviews of the Hyundai/Kia 2.5T/DCT you will find some reviews that find it harsh.

Given the choice, I'll take a torque converter automatic over a DCT. I think I read somewhere that Genesis rejected using a DCT because it did not provide the refinement expectations of a luxury vehicle customer.
 

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I'm not talking price bigger difference, I'm talking overall car, performance and class difference.
Of curse there is performance differences. Either one will get you to the grocery store though, but one cost $30k more. Depends on your needs.
 

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Of curse there is performance differences. Either one will get you to the grocery store though, but one cost $30k more. Depends on your needs.
i mean... a $500 1980s civic will get you to the grocery store...

the sonata and g80 are not what people typically cross shop. It'd be like cross shopping a g80 and an r8. 2 completely different cars
 
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