Did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

[ckon]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

Hello, I'm glad to be here
Would like to hear some feedback how is the AWD driving ? And also if anyone already installed the fog lights on 3.8 model?
Thanks everyone and as I wrote I am glad to be a part of Genesis owners community)

I've got almost 8k miles on my AWD, but no snow yet, and I think it's a great addition for drivability. You can just ram the pedal to the floor under just about any condition and get all the car can do - it just stays glued down. It feels very comfortable in curves on back roads, for instance, to the point that I keep driving a little quicker and still haven't felt the car get squirellly. It's the most secure car I've ever driven, especially for it's size.

 

[Mark_888]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

Also ordered original front window sunshade and trunk cargo organizer....

Would like to hear some feedback how is the AWD driving ?

1. What is the "original front window sunshade"? I don't see it on accessories page on Hyundai website.
2. Don't eat yourself up wondering about AWD model. It does have some advantages, but given the fuel mileage penalty (way more than industry average), I don't see how someone in FL can justify it.

 

[Alwaysforward]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

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   I don't see how someone in FL can justify it.

Quite the opposite. We get a lot of rain down here and that extra traction would be great to have during those road conditions. From Palm Beach down to Miami on I95, every time it rains around rush hour there is an accident.

I think if Hyundai did a sales pitch on that extra added traction in rain they could sell more AWD models in our state. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Mark_888]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

Quite the opposite. We get a lot of rain down here and that extra traction would be great to have during those road conditions. From Palm Beach down to Miami on I95, every time it rains around rush hour there is an accident.

I think if Hyundai did a sales pitch on that extra added traction in rain they could sell more AWD models in our state. Just my 2 cents.

I completely understand about the traction in the rain or other conditions. But IMO that still does not justify the difference in MPG in places where it does not snow:

• 3.8 RWD - 18 city / 29 highway / 22 combined
• 3.8 AWD - 16 city / 25 highway / 19 combined

Would be justified if one could dispense with having to use snow tires in winter. Just my opinion.

 

[Mr.Gekko]

You're buying a RWD over an AWD to save 2MPG? Seriously?

 

[Mark_888]

You're buying a RWD over an AWD to save 2MPG? Seriously?

What? It's 4 MPG difference on highway, and 3 MPG difference combined. I personally drive mostly highway.

Also, we are talking about South Florida, where there is no snow or ice. The ESC should be able handle rain well enough IMO. I am certainly not recommending RWD in places where it snows.

 

[Mr.Gekko]

What? It's 4 MPG difference on highway, and 3 MPG difference combined. I personally drive mostly highway.

Also, we are talking about South Florida, where there is no snow or ice. The ESC should be able handle rain well enough IMO. I am certainly not recommending RWD in places where it snows.

Keep in mind, you also miss out on options that come with the AWD (Heated steering wheel, heated back seats, headlight spray-a-ma-bob-ers, etc..)

And those numbers are all estimated. Many people get above or below the EPA estimated MPG. It all depends on the driving habits of the drivers that attained the above numbers that you posted (that's why they're called "EPA Estimated MPG"). People with AWD (owners/test drivers/factory workers/EPA employees) tend to push on the car more to see it's "potential", thinking they're unstoppable (common misconception/ego booster) with AWD, resulting in lower MPG. And if you do some research, sometimes they don't always test all trims. They can get estimated mileagle on an AWD and bump up the mileage on paper for a RWD purely based on assumption, or vice-versa.

On a side note. I'm not saying RWD is bad. A smart driver can easily steer a car with more precision on RWD than an AWD whether it be winter, summer, rain, snow, etc... I'm just saying that choosing RWD over AWD because you assume that you will save a few MPG while you're purchasing a $50K+ car is laughable.

 

[Mr.Gekko]

Also, to add to the above points:

Assuming you bought the car and this isn't a lease where you don't plan to buy the car at the end, fully loaded cars hold their value better...which can offset your "savings" in fuel efficiency.

 

[Mark_888]

Keep in mind, you also miss out on options that come with the AWD (Heated steering wheel, heated back seats, headlight spray-a-ma-bob-ers, etc..)

I was specifically responding to a person who lives in South Florida. Have you ever been there? They don't need that stuff.

And those numbers are all estimated. Many people get above or below the EPA estimated MPG. It all depends on the driving habits of the drivers that attained the above numbers that you posted (that's why they're called "EPA Estimated MPG"). People with AWD (owners/test drivers/factory workers/EPA employees) tend to push on the car more to see it's "potential", thinking they're unstoppable (common misconception/ego booster) with AWD, resulting in lower MPG. And if you do some research, sometimes they don't always test all trims. They can get estimated mileagle on an AWD and bump up the mileage on paper for a RWD purely based on assumption, or vice-versa.

The numbers may be estimated, but they should be valid for comparison purposes. In other words, in real world highway driving, the RWD may get 30 MPG, and the AWD may get 26 MPG in same conditions, but the difference should always be 4 MPG for exact same conditions when highway driving.

On a side note. I'm not saying RWD is bad. A smart driver can easily steer a car with more precision on RWD than an AWD whether it be winter, summer, rain, snow, etc... I'm just saying that choosing RWD over AWD because you assume that you will save a few MPG while you're purchasing a $50K+ car is laughable.

There is no snow or ice in South Florida. A lot of homes in South Florida don't even have heating of any kind. The 3.8 is not a $50K+ car. In addition to worse MPG for AWD (and worse than the average difference on other cars that offer both AWD and RWD), AWD is typically about .3 - .4 seconds slower in 0-60 than RWD.

To repeat what I said in other posts, if I lived where it snowed a lot, I would not even consider the RWD Genesis.

 

[Mark_888]

Also, to add to the above points:

Assuming you bought the car and this isn't a lease where you don't plan to buy the car at the end, fully loaded cars hold their value better...which can offset your "savings" in fuel efficiency.

Really? In South Florida you think an AWD car holds its value better (taking into account it costs $2500 more)?

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[Alwaysforward]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

I completely understand about the traction in the rain or other conditions. But IMO that still does not justify the difference in MPG in places where it does not snow:

• 3.8 RWD - 18 city / 29 highway / 22 combined
• 3.8 AWD - 16 city / 25 highway / 19 combined

Would be justified if one could dispense with having to use snow tires in winter. Just my opinion.

The difference between the combined 22 vs 19 equates to approx. $5.51 per week in added fuel cost for someone who drives approx. 12000 miles per year. Minor at best and something that is irrelevant to the discussion. I live in South Florida and we scrap ice off the windows at leave two sometimes 4 times per year so yes, it gets cold down here.

Cold is not this issue. It is when it is 90+ degrees out and the asphalt is hot and sticky then toss in a thunderstorm and watch the fun begin

 

[jimb100]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

The difference between the combined 22 vs 19 equates to approx. $5.51 per week in added fuel cost for someone who drives approx. 12000 miles per year. Minor at best and something that is irrelevant to the discussion. I live in South Florida and we scrap ice off the windows at leave two sometimes 4 times per year so yes, it gets cold down here.

Cold is not this issue. It is when it is 90+ degrees out and the asphalt is hot and sticky then toss in a thunderstorm and watch the fun begin

I've lived in the Tampa Bay area for over 10 years and have never scraped ice off the windshield. I don't know about the northern part of the state, but its still south of Georgia. If there's ice on the road AWD doesn't help much. Having lived in Rochester NY for 8 years I'm no stranger to winter. In fact, I used to see lots of AWD vehicles in the ditch because they felt invincible.

Florida thunderstorms can dump an inch of rain in a few minutes. In those conditions you need to slow down as its a matter of visibility not traction.

IMHO AWD is not needed in the sunshine state unless you need to put a boat in the water from a ramp or a similar activity

 

[Mark_888]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

I live in South Florida and we scrap ice off the windows at leave two sometimes 4 times per year so yes, it gets cold down here.

I was not including situations when beach goers dump their ice chest on your windshield.

But even if there was ice on your windows (I don't believe your stats for one second), you drive on the road, not on your windows, and chances of ice or snow sticking to a road (in the unlikely event of freezing weather) is very remote.

 

[ferrethouse]

I live in Calgary and if I could have got dualies on my Genesis I would have

 

[Alwaysforward]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

I've lived in the Tampa Bay area for over 10 years and have never scraped ice off the windshield. I don't know about the northern part of the state, but its still south of Georgia. If there's ice on the road AWD doesn't help much. Having lived in Rochester NY for 8 years I'm no stranger to winter. In fact, I used to see lots of AWD vehicles in the ditch because they felt invincible.

Florida thunderstorms can dump an inch of rain in a few minutes. In those conditions you need to slow down as its a matter of visibility not traction.

IMHO AWD is not needed in the sunshine state unless you need to put a boat in the water from a ramp or a similar activity

We have. Granted it is not Upstate New York type ice we were use to but credit card ice or a good 10 minute defrost with the wipers going. The other thing besides slowing down people need to learn not to turn on their flashers when running in heavy rains. It is against the law.

 

[jimb100]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

We have. Granted it is not Upstate New York type ice we were use to but credit card ice or a good 10 minute defrost with the wipers going. The other thing besides slowing down people need to learn not to turn on their flashers when running in heavy rains. It is against the law.

Regardless how long it takes you to defrost your windshield, you don't 'need' AWD in south Florida.

But if you want it, whatever floats your Hyundai.

 

[Roikins]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

I've got almost 8k miles on my AWD, but no snow yet, and I think it's a great addition for drivability. You can just ram the pedal to the floor under just about any condition and get all the car can do - it just stays glued down. It feels very comfortable in curves on back roads, for instance, to the point that I keep driving a little quicker and still haven't felt the car get squirellly. It's the most secure car I've ever driven, especially for it's size.

Thanks for sharing this awesome experience
That's what I thought,and that's why I wanted the AWD,but it's already done,I am just driving for 4 days, but I could say the same about RWD,I did some race like driving on slippery road,and the Genesis didn't do anything unexpected.
The most important thing that I love this car

 

[Roikins]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

1. What is the "original front window sunshade"? I don't see it on accessories page on Hyundai website.
   
2. Don't eat yourself up wondering about AWD model. It does have some advantages, but given the fuel mileage penalty (way more than industry average), I don't see how someone in FL can justify it.
   

Yes,you are right,we don't need AWD here,I already tried the new RWD in heavy rain and slippery road,and speeding up in corners,it was stable and handling was very easy,at least I sawed 2,500$
Regarding the sunshades I did inquiry directly in dealership,but they told me that it's out of stuck,and the new supply will come within a week,it's not on Hyundai website. I didn't want to wait that long ,so I ordered from Amazon
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00KL0CU5C?pc_redir=1410500111&robot_redir=1"]Sunshade for Hyundai Genesis Sedan Year(s) 2015 Heatshield Windshield Custom-fit Sunshade:Amazon:Automotive[/ame]
Hope they will be right size,if not will return it,and wait until dealership will have them.

 

[Mark_888]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

Yes,you are right,we don't need AWD here,I already tried the new RWD in heavy rain and slippery road,and speeding up in corners,it was stable and handling was very easy, at least I sawed $2,500.

Yes, the ESC works pretty well in that regard.

I just want to clarify what I previously said about this subject. If someone in South Florida really wants AWD, I have absolutely no argument with them. My comment was to a person in South Florida who purchased RWD, and was wondering whether he made a mistake by not purchasing AWD. My comment was "Don't eat yourself up wondering about AWD model."

 

[Midnightsun]

Re: Engine Choice: did you (or will you) buy a V6 or V8 2015 Genesis This Year?

Yes, the ESC works pretty well in that regard.

I just want to clarify what I previously said about this subject. If someone in South Florida really wants AWD, I have absolutely no argument with them. My comment was to a person in South Florida who purchased RWD, and was wondering whether he made a mistake by not purchasing AWD. My comment was "Don't eat yourself up wondering about AWD model."

I would agree but I can tell you the Gen 1 V8 can break the rear end fairly easily on wet roads when accelerating from a stop. Ask me how I know. That being said, the AWD would not have blinked in those situations.