Genesis GV70 Reviews

[John Baxter]

BTW, Redline car had 1,114 miles, lol

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The real secret to a great time is having the car full of fuel.

In the old days people would do a timing run just above empty to ensure less weight.

Modern cars with complex ECU maps lean the cars and drop power as the fuel tank gets towards empty to maximise fuel economy.
The ECU is programed to get you home safely rather than be focussed on maximum performance.

If you want the best timing run with a modern car.... fill the tank.

Hence his very easy 4.89sec 0 to 60mph.

 

[Beefer]

^ this is absolutely false

As this is true to not be close to an empty tank...but filling to 1/4 tank is ideal as the ECU will not trigger and you still have weight advantage.

 

[NewGuy1005]

Modeling Lexus as in building high quality to build reputation?

Modeling Lexus in all aspects. I mean as close as they can. The reveal of the entire Genesis brand was the exact same as Lexus did years ago. They are utilizing the same strategies in all aspects of the brand. Whether or not they succeed and become another “Lexus” luxury brand is another question. I love Genesis so far and I love my GV70 but Lexus didn’t get where they are or the reputation they have within 5 years so it’ll take some time. Either way it makes me happy that they acknowledge the best and model the best.

 

[bill davis]

Like I've said, it's a nice product and I seriously considered it. I think maybe it just depends on what you're coming from and what your used to as far as driving dynamics are concerned.

I think Genesis will be more successful with conquest buyers who are currently in Lexus/Acura/Infiniti products versus the German competitors.

yep,,,you hit the nail on the head!!!!

 

[Crider]

Call me biased on that RedLine Review color combo, which I have. Its a subtle blue, and is quite nice with the contrasting red. I do have the advanced quilted leather seats which are much nicer IMO.

 

[TBickell]

Well finally a real review in the US for the GV70. Not surprised that he loves it. I was surprised he did not pick on the rear end lower styling. He said the exhaust tips are fake but not true. The huge round accents are connected to the muffler through the pipes inside. Other then that he nailed it and I was surprised he got a 0-60 pull at sub 5 seconds. It's plenty quick. He also said no auto lane change which is incorrect. He failed to highlight the adaptive suspension that is tied to the "road preview" camera which is a very high end feature. Also did not mention finger print ID.

All and all he got it right. Much more luxurious than the competitors, better ride but not quite as "sporty". After almost 3 months and 3000 miles I agree with his assessment. Now let's see what Alex on auto's has to say. His review should be up soon.

 

[Etex]

Color me a tad skepitcal until more examples of "bought of the lot" cars start returning sub 5 sec 0-60 runs. The car Redline reviewed is the same exact car reviewed by Ben Hardy. It has the same California "Distributor" lic plate, Ben gives credit to Genesis of Sandy (in Sandy Utah) & Soyfan Bey is just outside of NYC. So is it identical to models on dealer lots? Asking for a friend.

 

[TBickell]

Color me a tad skepitcal until more examples of "bought of the lot" cars start returning sub 5 sec 0-60 runs. The car Redline reviewed is the same exact car reviewed by Ben Hardy. It has the same California "Distributor" lic plate, Ben gives credit to Genesis of Sandy (in Sandy Utah) & Soyfan Bey is just outside of NYC. So is it identical to models on dealer lots? Asking for a friend.

They generally ship the review cars around the country..

 

[René 69]

I wanted to give a brief honest review of my 2-week old GV70 build quality. I have the 3.5T Sport Prestige GV70 and I'm loving it. I've owned many brands in the past, most relatable for comparison, Audi, Lexus, and MB. I can say first hand that the build quality and attention to detail is at the level and surpasses both brands.

I work on my own cars and have experience taking apart interiors for improved sound deadening and sound system isolation. I've done so to every car I've owned. Just finished added sound deadening to my GV70 and I have to say that the build quality in the GV70 is the best I've seen. The deadening within the door panels, the way the wiring and switches were neatly concealed and wrapped in felt, and the overall layout of the interior panels was superb. I barely added any extra material of my own, which says a lot! I know most people won't understand but it means a lot to me when a brand/vehicle takes the time to properly engineer and take everything into account. Especially the things you can't see like behind interior panels. It's easy to make the surface materials excellent, but it's another to actually build a solid vehicle from the ground up.

This is something I've always noticed with german brands. The vehicle will look beautiful on the surface but if you ever have the chance or reason to look behind the surface, for instance removing interior panels, you'll see otherwise. Cheap plastic, wires not neatly arranged or wrapped, barely any sound deadening, zero vibration absorbing materials which causes rattles not only from the engine but also the sound system. One of the biggest reasons people hear rattles are from the robust/premium sound systems car brands are shoving into vehicles without the proper deadening or isolation. Yes, these systems are great and have huge potential but fall flat when they do nothing but cause rattles and are over powered for the area they reside in. Again, I am a stickler for things like this as you can tell, so I don't expect people to fully understand.

In a nutshell, this is the first premium branded vehicle I've owned where I was not let down by the "actual" build quality. I am very experienced with seeing vehicles for what they are and I am blown away by the GV70. If anyone is considering this vehicle against a Audi Q5, BMW X3, MB GLC, Lexus RX, etc., do yourself a solid and test drive one. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. All I can say is that I highly recommend the GV70 over the competition and am extremely happy with my decision.

P.s. Some may call me crazy for this rant, keep those comments to yourself. I love cars and get excited about the little things that most take for granted. I figured some of you may love to hear this so I shared! Also not sure if this is the proper location for this post so let me know.

Great information. I know excatly what you mean. It also makes me calm, when i know the quality behind the scene is good. About the speakers. Did you made by mistake some pictures of the backside of the panels and what diameter size is the door midrange speake?

 

[average joe]

Great information. I know excatly what you mean. It also makes me calm, when i know the quality behind the scene is good. About the speakers. Did you made by mistake some pictures of the backside of the panels and what diameter size is the door midrange speake?

Also, based on what you saw, any potential issues with loud bass and creating rattles with these vehicles? I’m asking for my son. lol

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[YEH]

See..? Car and Driver still does not have a test vehicle for real data...

C/D just published the instrument test for the 2021MY 3.3TT G70.

I really don't get it. I understand that we are in the midst of an upside down world and car market but all the other vehicles that have come out in the last few months got to the automotive press in most cases BEFORE they hit dealerships. Or at least close to when they were available to the public. This is precedent setting.

The only reason I keep harping on it is because as we read posts here in this forum ,people are clearly looking for more information especially comparing the 2.5 to the 3.5 and it just is not out there even though the cars are. And I don't believe it's because there are no cars. They take a few and have them shipped between journalists. My dealership here in Phoenix has sold close to a hundred in the last 3 months.

Not unusual for the base engine not to get reviewed til many months after the upmarket engine (don't think C/D has yet tested the base engine A4).

What is surprising is Kia having sent out the 3.3TT for the refreshed Stinger when it was the base engine that got upgraded, with them needing to increase sales of the Stinger with the base engine.

If they’re selling so well in Phoenix then my supposition would be that Hyundai Corp. want to avoid the Telluride effect. They don’t seem to be selling that well in the southeast, which doesn’t completely surprise me, either, from the standpoint that people with money in my area seem very attached to existing status brands like BMW, Mercedes, and especially Porsche, or to American status symbols such as Fords and Caddys.

That's odd because south FL is one of the largest markets for Genesis, and the Atlanta metro area is also one of the bigger markets for Genesis.

Not that Cargurus has all the listings, but last week only showed a little more than 1k GV70s listed and around 1.3k GV80s listed nationwide, so it's not like there's tons of supply.

 

[YEH]

The price delta isn't that much on the X3 M40i. Similarly equipped, the BMW is about $68-$70k before dealer discounts which are currently running about 5-7% off MSRP. So, when you take that into consideration, the pricing difference isn't much at all and will likely be made up on residual value when it's time to sell.

Residual value is not the same as resale value and Genesis already had better resale value than BMW (esp. 5+ yrs out).

That delta should only increase with the CUVs.

Like I've said, it's a nice product and I seriously considered it. I think maybe it just depends on what you're coming from and what your used to as far as driving dynamics are concerned.

I think Genesis will be more successful with conquest buyers who are currently in Lexus/Acura/Infiniti products versus the German competitors.

When Genesis only had the G80 and G90, it's top conquest were from Lexus, followed by BMW and Merc.

Don't think Genesis was conquesting ES owners, as opposed to the GS and LS.

The Japanese CUV buyers are predominantly value buyers, so they typically are not going to pony up more $, esp, as Genesis is not discounting the GV70 and GV80.

Not to say that there won't be some, but think the Germans will make up the majority of conquests.

Esp. as the ATP for the GV80 is only a few thousand less than for the GLE and X5 - and that's without any pricey PHEV or performance variants, and significantly higher than for the RX, MDX and QX60.

Modeling Lexus in all aspects. I mean as close as they can. The reveal of the entire Genesis brand was the exact same as Lexus did years ago. They are utilizing the same strategies in all aspects of the brand. Whether or not they succeed and become another “Lexus” luxury brand is another question. I love Genesis so far and I love my GV70 but Lexus didn’t get where they are or the reputation they have within 5 years so it’ll take some time. Either way it makes me happy that they acknowledge the best and model the best.

Don't think that's quite true.

Genesis went with an all RWD lineup as opposed to what is predominantly a FWD lineup (based on sales) for Lexus.

Lexus is heavily into hybrids, whereas Genesis is eschewing them to go straight to electrics (albeit, seems like Genesis will be adding a 48V system to their lineup).

The UX, NX and RX do not go head to head with the Germans, but the GV70 and GV80 do (same will apply if they do a GV90).

Lexus has opted for volume with lower priced FWD models, but Genesis is opting for less volume but higher ATP.

 

[69AlfaNut]

Residual value is not the same as resale value and Genesis already had better resale value than BMW (esp. 5+ yrs out).

That delta should only increase with the CUVs.




When Genesis only had the G80 and G90, it's top conquest were from Lexus, followed by BMW and Merc.

Don't think Genesis was conquesting ES owners, as opposed to the GS and LS.

The Japanese CUV buyers are predominantly value buyers, so they typically are not going to pony up more $, esp, as Genesis is not discounting the GV70 and GV80.

Not to say that there won't be some, but think the Germans will make up the majority of conquests.

Esp. as the ATP for the GV80 is only a few thousand less than for the GLE and X5 - and that's without any pricey PHEV or performance variants, and significantly higher than for the RX, MDX and QX60.




Don't think that's quite true.

Genesis went with an all RWD lineup as opposed to what is predominantly a FWD lineup (based on sales) for Lexus.

Lexus is heavily into hybrids, whereas Genesis is eschewing them to go straight to electrics (albeit, seems like Genesis will be adding a 48V system to their lineup).

The UX, NX and RX do not go head to head with the Germans, but the GV70 and GV80 do (same will apply if they do a GV90).

Lexus has opted for volume with lower priced FWD models, but Genesis is opting for less volume but higher ATP.

The 2022 NX will go up against the GV70. Comparable new tech and safety, mark Levinson audio, etc. GV still better on power and cargo volume however.

 

[Pearlturbo]

The 2022 NX will go up against the GV70. Comparable new tech and safety, mark Levinson audio, etc. GV still better on power and cargo volume however.

I came from Lexus, after 3 cars from Lexus, my last one being the RCF, and as the years go by, Lexus IS behind on A LOT of things. They’re ”new models” are barely new after 6 years. They tweak a few things and it’s the same car. and no I’m not talking about when they get refreshed. Example the new IS line up... interior? Same crap From 2014.

The new NX? Come on, Lexus is just not cutting it anymore. Can’t even compare the NX to the GV70 tbh. Doesn’t even come close to the RX IMO. And I’ve driven all their line up.

Genesis is killing it, period. And I’m not being biased. Otherwise I wouldn’t have jumped ship.

 

[Etex]

This Korean Review has some interesting side by side footage of MB GLC vs BMW X3 vs GV70 going over speed bumps. Fast forward to timestamp 11:25 thru 13:30 for comparison.

Edit: Hit the mute button, 2 mins of visual gets the point across.

 

[TBickell]

^

I can't sit through that..

 

[NewGuy1005]

Great information. I know excatly what you mean. It also makes me calm, when i know the quality behind the scene is good. About the speakers. Did you made by mistake some pictures of the backside of the panels and what diameter size is the door midrange speake?

Unfortunately, I did not get any pictures. The midrange speakers are 6 in. I believe.

 

[NewGuy1005]

Also, based on what you saw, any potential issues with loud bass and creating rattles with these vehicles? I’m asking for my son. lol

No, I don't believe so. Like I said, I was very impressed already by the build quality of the inner door panels. I have always sound deadened my vehicles to improve their factory sound system and I had extra material laying around already so I went ahead and did it. No real need to do so though so I wouldn't advise someone that doesn't have experience to do it.

 

[mythdoc]

WSJ had a very favorable review out yesterday.

 

[NewGuy1005]

Residual value is not the same as resale value and Genesis already had better resale value than BMW (esp. 5+ yrs out).

That delta should only increase with the CUVs.




When Genesis only had the G80 and G90, it's top conquest were from Lexus, followed by BMW and Merc.

Don't think Genesis was conquesting ES owners, as opposed to the GS and LS.

The Japanese CUV buyers are predominantly value buyers, so they typically are not going to pony up more $, esp, as Genesis is not discounting the GV70 and GV80.

Not to say that there won't be some, but think the Germans will make up the majority of conquests.

Esp. as the ATP for the GV80 is only a few thousand less than for the GLE and X5 - and that's without any pricey PHEV or performance variants, and significantly higher than for the RX, MDX and QX60.




Don't think that's quite true.

Genesis went with an all RWD lineup as opposed to what is predominantly a FWD lineup (based on sales) for Lexus.

Lexus is heavily into hybrids, whereas Genesis is eschewing them to go straight to electrics (albeit, seems like Genesis will be adding a 48V system to their lineup).

The UX, NX and RX do not go head to head with the Germans, but the GV70 and GV80 do (same will apply if they do a GV90).

Lexus has opted for volume with lower priced FWD models, but Genesis is opting for less volume but higher ATP.

You're over-analyzing the comparison. We aren't comparing the companies in terms of specific products. It is evident that Genesis is RWD based lineup, it is evident that there are no hybrids or EVs yet, it is evident that Genesis is a much lower volume brand. What we were stating was that Genesis brand as a whole is modeling Lexus in terms of their business model, ideals, build quality, etc. They are not comparing themselves to Lexus model to model, spec for spec. They are building a luxury brand based on the same game plan that Toyota did with Lexus or Honda did with Acura while at the same time taking the best aspects of the EU brands and incorporating that in.