Its Official: 2010 Genesis sedan has revised suspension

[Mark_888]

Lot of back and forth on this issue. I want to buy and have spent hours on this site. It appears at very least that a stabilizer bar will be added to the Genesis sedans. Do you gurus suggest waiting for the 2010 model before purchasing?

There is no question in my mind that if I was considering a Genesis purchase near term, that I would wait, especially since HMA is now taking the position that the 2009 cannot be retrofitted. So even if you get a fantastic deal on a 2009, you may regret it.

 

[kaberle]

Lot of back and forth on this issue. I want to buy and have spent hours on this site. It appears at very least that a stabilizer bar will be added to the Genesis sedans. Do you gurus suggest waiting for the 2010 model before purchasing?

The 2010's can't be far away.......... wait and test drive both at that time.......... if cost is an issue and you want to pick up a 2009 cheaper you can always pick up a used one

 

[dataguy]

Lot of back and forth on this issue. I want to buy and have spent hours on this site. It appears at very least that a stabilizer bar will be added to the Genesis sedans. Do you gurus suggest waiting for the 2010 model before purchasing?

Since not everyone is affected or sensitive to this issue, it really comes down to three factors:

1. Cost. Undoubtedly, the below invoice pricing that you can find on 2009's will disappear with the 2010 and given the low production numbers of this car, the remaining '09's will likely dry up quickly. The price of the 2010 model will likely be slightly higher than this year's MSRP.

2. Tech package. If you plan on getting the top-of-the-line Technology package, then it's probably a good idea to wait due to the addition of a couple new features (like electronic parking brake and smart cruise control). Also, if you don't elect for the Lexicon system, there's a separate nav package that uses a touchscreen GPS that will be less expensive than the current Tech package.

2. Risk. You can try to get an extended test drive on the 2009 or insist on going over a large variety of roads at different speeds, both as the driver and as the rear seat passenger. Or you can wait until the reviews come in on the 2010. Or you can wait and compare them head-to-head. It's not clear to what extent the ride will actually change and whether you'll prefer the result.

Hope that helps.

 

[Mark_888]

Hi Mark....... it's been a while since I have been on here....... I gotta tell ya......... some of your best posts have happened in the past few days.......

about this issue of changing there website news release......... there could be many explanations but the most plausible is that someone at Hyundai found that first sentence to be saying too much.......

Other possible explanations are that the first sentance was incorrect.... or perhaps because it did not say exactly what they meant to say.........

Anyway you look at it there is every possibility that there will be changes to the suspension for 2010......... this in and of itself does not mean there is a major problem with the 2009 suspension...... if that was the case no one would ever improve a product for the sake of improving it......... Like they say in sports even championship teams make changes.........

The most plausible explanation of HMA changing the media kit release is that they realized (or their dealers told them) that acknowledgment of the suspension changes for 2010 is going to hurt remaining 2009 model sales.

Whether or not the suspension issue is "major problem" is subjective, and that subject has already been beat to death. I like to stick to the objective facts, i.e. is the suspension different and can we get those changes put on our 2009? Those who think the ride needs no improvement can certainly decline that opportunity, but they should not deprive those who want it, the chance to get the changes.

 

[kaberle]

The most plausible explanation of HMA changing the media kit release is that they realized (or their dealers told them) that acknowledgment of the suspension changes for 2010 is going to hurt remaining 2009 model sales.

Whether or not the suspension issue is "major problem" is subjective, and that subject has already been beat to death. I like to stick to the objective facts, i.e. is the suspension different and can we get those changes put on our 2009? Those who think the ride needs no improvement can certainly decline that opportunity, but they should not deprive those who want it, the chance to get the changes.

Hurting 2009 sales is what I meant by "saying too much"

I'm happy to see that you now admit that the suspension issue is subjective...... until recently many on here have denied that it is a subjective issue.......

It's not a matter of is the 2010 suspension different.... it is a matter of is the 2010 suspension better for you.... different does not mean better........ I would be very very very surprised if Hyundai would offer retrofits at no cost to the 2009.......

No one is depriving anyone of anything.... you and others are free to do as you please....... sell your 2009 buy a 2010 if you choose... hold on to your 2009 and lobby Hyundai if you choose.... buy a different car....... hey man its a free country ... knock yourself out....

 

[Stwood]

Dataguy,

Very well said and I agree from reading all the threads that this suspension issue is subjective. I'll go on my second extended test drive of the 3.8 w/ tech and decide. My gut is get a deal on the '09, but we'll see. I'd like to lease, but have been instructed to negotiate price first then get into the lease based on negotiated price. According to CR the car has a dealer invoice of 37,363 and others from my "Demistifying the lease" thread have stated that 36k would be a good buy. Once again based on info obtained from my thread referenced above, it looks like with no capital cost reduction (no money down) I could get a 36 month 15k lease for approximately 520/mth.

Does that sound about right?

Thanks for your time,

 

[Stwood]

Sorry after reviewing my thread, I noticed that the target price was 34k and therefore it looks like $465 is my lease number.

Sound right?

 

[Mark_888]

Hurting 2009 sales is what I meant by "saying too much"

I'm happy to see that you now admit that the suspension issue is subjective...... until recently many on here have denied that it is a subjective issue.......

It's not a matter of is the 2010 suspension different.... it is a matter of is the 2010 suspension better for you.... different does not mean better........ I would be very very very surprised if Hyundai would offer retrofits at no cost to the 2009.......

No one is depriving anyone of anything.... you and others are free to do as you please....... sell your 2009 buy a 2010 if you choose... hold on to your 2009 and lobby Hyundai if you choose.... buy a different car....... hey man its a free country ... knock yourself out....

I also would be a little surprised if HMA did the retrofit for free. However free is not the only option. There could be an "at HMA cost" option, or even a full price option. It is not even clear now that they will offer a full price option according to one response that a member received from HMA (in other words, there would be no specific installation instructions or compatibility/warranty guarantee for putting the 2010 suspension parts on the 2009 and therefore it might be difficult to get a dealer to do it).

Selling the car is an option, but a very expensive one that is not practical for most people (one person who sold after a few days ownership took a beating of about $9K according to his posts on this forum). Therefore, many of us are investigating more realistic options.

 

[Mark_888]

I'm happy to see that you now admit that the suspension issue is subjective...... until recently many on here have denied that it is a subjective issue.......

Just about everything about cars is subjective, otherwise there would only be one car sold for each price-point and they would all be the same color (I personally don't like black exteriors on cars, but maybe that is a sub-conscious reaction due to the fact that I live where it gets pretty hot and the sun is intense).

Even though these things are subjective, it does not mean that every car is really the same. I just prefer not to argue about which car is better, and not argue about the suspension (unless I am attacked for my views). I have certainly defended my position on the suspension issue (especially after having been reported to the forum admins as a troll, etc), but if someone thinks that the 2009 suspension is perfect, that is OK with me as long as they don't interfere with my right to think otherwise, discuss the issue with others who agree with me, and to pursue remedies.

 

[LLT]

I think as owners, we share some responsibility in this. In my case, I should have left less to assumption and more thoroughly test driven this vehicle on various road surfaces. I'd have walked away in a heartbeat and saved myself a lot of grief had I done so. Because I didn't, I'm willing to share some responsibility and not pin it entirely on HMA (as again, it is indeed subjective) - although I've already put $2k into the vehicle, I'm not expecting HMA to rebuild the suspension for free. I would be very happy with just the parts (or steeply discounted) from the 2010. Because I've little faith in Hyundai's service departments anyway, I'd prefer to install the components myself - so the only thing HMA is out is the cost of significantly marked up parts. I'm sure there are many others who would be willing to eat the cost of labor.

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[thomaspf]

The incident of changing their new release convinces me even further that Hunday North America is a shady company.

All models produces before December last year have safety issues as published by the IIHS but Hyunday let's you not upgrade to the safer version of the car by pretending the parts did not change although it is undisputable that they made changes to the knee bolsters and the front airbag.

Now they make changes to the suspension and try to hush that up as well.

Oh my, these guys are really crooks.

Cheers

Thomas

 

[akuma]

Just about everything about cars is subjective, otherwise there would only be one car sold for each price-point and they would all be the same color (I personally don't like black exteriors on cars, but maybe that is a sub-conscious reaction due to the fact that I live where it gets pretty hot and the sun is intense).

Even though these things are subjective, it does not mean that every car is really the same. I just prefer not to argue about which car is better, and not argue about the suspension (unless I am attacked for my views). I have certainly defended my position on the suspension issue (especially after having been reported to the forum admins as a troll, etc), but if someone thinks that the 2009 suspension is perfect, that is OK with me as long as they don't interfere with my right to think otherwise, discuss the issue with others who agree with me, and to pursue remedies.

that means that it is very important to take an extended test drive over all road surfaces in the ACTUAL car that you are going to buy, once you decide the Genesis is the car for you. apparently, not every single Genesis has the same ride.

 

[Mark_888]

The incident of changing their new release convinces me even further that Hunday North America is a shady company.

All models produces before December last year have safety issues as published by the IIHS but Hyunday let's you not upgrade to the safer version of the car by pretending the parts did not change although it is undisputable that they made changes to the knee bolsters and the front airbag.

Now they make changes to the suspension and try to hush that up as well.

Oh my, these guys are really crooks.

Cheers

Thomas

I disagree about that. Just about every company in the world, whether they make cars, computers, software, etc, makes changes in their product without disclosing the details of the changes or even that a change has been made. I think this whole issue revolves around being able to sell the remaining 2009 models, and if all this came to light a month from now, I think you would have seen a lot more transparency on the subject. But now that HMA has been forced to retract the information previously given out, they may never tell us even when all the 2009's are sold. That would be very unfortunate.

 

[Mark_888]

I think as owners, we share some responsibility in this. In my case, I should have left less to assumption and more thoroughly test driven this vehicle on various road surfaces. I'd have walked away in a heartbeat and saved myself a lot of grief had I done so. Because I didn't, I'm willing to share some responsibility and not pin it entirely on HMA (as again, it is indeed subjective) - although I've already put $2k into the vehicle, I'm not expecting HMA to rebuild the suspension for free. I would be very happy with just the parts (or steeply discounted) from the 2010. Because I've little faith in Hyundai's service departments anyway, I'd prefer to install the components myself - so the only thing HMA is out is the cost of significantly marked up parts. I'm sure there are many others who would be willing to eat the cost of labor.

Maybe we share some responsibility, but not as much as Hyundai IMO. Here is how the 2009 suspension is described in HMA marketing info (and I read and relied on this information before purchasing my 2009 Genesis):

Genesis features a suspension design that is among the most sophisticated and refined anywhere, at any price. The front five-link suspension features upper and lower arms linking the front wheels to the chassis. This artfully articulated arrangement creates a virtual king pin axis that dramatically reduces unwanted kickback through the steering wheel as well as improving responsiveness. The five-link independent rear suspension is equally sophisticated, enabling precise suspension geometry for a premium ride and engaging handling prowess. The capabilities of the advanced front and rear-suspension are maximized through Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD) allowing tuning flexibility at smaller damper displacements. The ASD suspension provides:

• Improved ride comfort with more body / wheel control
• Increased driving comfort without compromised handling
• Optimized road surface contact
• Used in Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz models

Given the above, I was expecting a ride that was at least as good as a Honda Accord, to speak nothing of Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes.

 

[doug725]

that means that it is very important to take an extended test drive over all road surfaces in the ACTUAL car that you are going to buy, once you decide the Genesis is the car for you. apparently, not every single Genesis has the same ride.

That is very true -that is exactly the mistake I made - doing my VERY exensive testinbg in a demo

 

[doug725]

Yes and what they delivered - at least to me - was the exact opposite of this description.

Maybe we share some responsibility, but not as much as Hyundai IMO. Here is how the 2009 suspension is described in HMA marketing info (and I read and relied on this information before purchasing my 2009 Genesis):

Genesis features a suspension design that is among the most sophisticated and refined anywhere, at any price. The front five-link suspension features upper and lower arms linking the front wheels to the chassis. This artfully articulated arrangement creates a virtual king pin axis that dramatically reduces unwanted kickback through the steering wheel as well as improving responsiveness. The five-link independent rear suspension is equally sophisticated, enabling precise suspension geometry for a premium ride and engaging handling prowess. The capabilities of the advanced front and rear-suspension are maximized through Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD) allowing tuning flexibility at smaller damper displacements. The ASD suspension provides:

• Improved ride comfort with more body / wheel control
• Increased driving comfort without compromised handling
• Optimized road surface contact
• Used in Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz models

Given the above, I was expecting a ride that was at least as good as a Honda Accord, to speak nothing of Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes.

 

[genesis 45]

WELL HYUNDAI CERTAINLY GOT ENOUGH GOOD PRESS AND AWARDS FROM THE 2009 GENESIS TO SELL PLENTY OF 2010's.....IT WAS MOST AWARDED CAR OF THE YEAR I BELEIVE........THEY MAY NOT HAVE ANY REASON WHAT SO EVER TO EVEN WORRY ABOUT THE 2009's OR ITS CUSTOMERS.....BECAUSE IF THE 2010 DRIVES LIKE THE 2009 WAS SUPPOSE TO THEN THE 2009's WILL BE JUST OUR BAD MEMORIES WE MUST LIVE WITH.........I HOPE THIS DOES NOT TURN OUT TO BE THE CASE, AND THEY AT LEAST OFFER SOME OPTION TO FIX IT.....THEN I MAY CONSIDER ANOTHE HYUNDAI IN THE FURTURE...............

 

[knight]

that means that it is very important to take an extended test drive over all road surfaces in the ACTUAL car that you are going to buy, once you decide the Genesis is the car for you. apparently, not every single Genesis has the same ride.

I test drove the 2009 in early spring about 5 different times and loved it. However, seeing the posts on suspension dissatisfaction in this forum and never being able to actually find the color I wanted at the time ('sterling blue' is pretty rare) I decided to wait for the 2010.

Test driving the ACTUAL car you are going to purchase is a great recommendation, I would add to your recommendation that you should also ride in the back seat while someone else is driving!

 

[Seattle Genesis]

I test drove the 2009 in early spring about 5 different times and loved it. However, seeing the posts on suspension dissatisfaction in this forum and never being able to actually find the color I wanted at the time ('sterling blue' is pretty rare) I decided to wait for the 2010.

Test driving the ACTUAL car you are going to purchase is a great recommendation, I would add to your recommendation that you should also ride in the back seat while someone else is driving!

Not sure where you are, but there is a Sterling Blue V8 Tech (loaded) here at Lithia Hyundai in Renton WA, just south of Seattle.

 

[Sayantsi]

Maybe we share some responsibility, but not as much as Hyundai IMO. Here is how the 2009 suspension is described in HMA marketing info (and I read and relied on this information before purchasing my 2009 Genesis):

Genesis features a suspension design that is among the most sophisticated and refined anywhere, at any price. The front five-link suspension features upper and lower arms linking the front wheels to the chassis. This artfully articulated arrangement creates a virtual king pin axis that dramatically reduces unwanted kickback through the steering wheel as well as improving responsiveness. The five-link independent rear suspension is equally sophisticated, enabling precise suspension geometry for a premium ride and engaging handling prowess. The capabilities of the advanced front and rear-suspension are maximized through Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD) allowing tuning flexibility at smaller damper displacements. The ASD suspension provides:

• Improved ride comfort with more body / wheel control
• Increased driving comfort without compromised handling
• Optimized road surface contact
• Used in Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz models

Given the above, I was expecting a ride that was at least as good as a Honda Accord, to speak nothing of Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes.

I have no issue with the 09 suspension on the Genesis, but to say its worse than an Accord's is downright ridiculous.