Lexicon Sound System Review 2012 V8 Genesis

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Thanks... It is in my Basement.. Was a lot of work as I finished the basement myself.. Worth it though...!

Will you or elshagon marry me?

 

[PMCErnie]

Um. I think it was written BECAUSE he/she read the flow of this thread and found it amazing!

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even that pud. Since I have the 14 spkr audio, I can't listen to DVD-A anywho. The reason I bought a car with that system is because the grand 2012 Genesis 17 spkr system cannot stream Bluetooth audio, but the 14 spkr system can. I knows what I likes and it's Bluetooth streaming, as I've said in earlier posts here. Besides, I'm not a Hootie and the Blowfish fan. God help me, I'll try to get by.

 

[TimC]

... If only I had a Lexicon to see if these Memorex DVD+R's are compatible...

What's wrong with the Lexicon in your R-Spec??

 

[TimC]

The Roy Orbison one was released on Dvd-Audio in addition to the blu-ray. ...

Thanks for this post, elshagon.
In spite of what you may think, there are some that understand the difference in audio quality and appreciate the information you are posting.

I have two questions on the Roy Orbison Black/White DVD-A/BRD you speak of:

Do you know if the Blu-Ray contains the same audio (quality wise) as the DVD-A?

For this particular recording, were all the channels (Lf-Rf-C-LFE-Ls-Rs) recorded to either/both of those formats?

 

[TimC]

One other question after reading your post about how you compile your own.

I've always used DVDExplorer and DVD Audio Solo to extract and re-compile my DVD-A discs.
When doing so, it coverts the MLP files to FLAC, then PCM when they go back on the disc.
The Genesis Lexicon plays the PCM DVD-A discs just fine.

Is there any other differences between MLP and PCM?
I always thought MLP is compressed PCM, and the only difference is size.

 

[elshagon]

Thanks for this post, elshagon.
In spite of what you may think, there are some that understand the difference in audio quality and appreciate the information you are posting.

I have two questions on the Roy Orbison Black/White DVD-A/BRD you speak of:

Do you know if the Blu-Ray contains the same audio (quality wise) as the DVD-A?

For this particular recording, were all the channels (Lf-Rf-C-LFE-Ls-Rs) recorded to either/both of those formats?

The bluray of this disc uses DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 which is what is used by DTS for lossless audio on bluray discs. Dolby uses TrueHD for its lossless on bluray which is pretty much the same as mlp that is found on DVD-Audio discs. I have the bluray and the DVD-Audio of the Black & White Night, but haven't directly compared them to see if they sound identical. My guess is they sound very close to the same, as I'm sure the source is the same for both. All the channels are used and has a good mix for a concert.

 

[elshagon]

One other question after reading your post about how you compile your own.

I've always used DVDExplorer and DVD Audio Solo to extract and re-compile my DVD-A discs.
When doing so, it coverts the MLP files to FLAC, then PCM when they go back on the disc.
The Genesis Lexicon plays the PCM DVD-A discs just fine.

Is there any other differences between MLP and PCM?
I always thought MLP is compressed PCM, and the only difference is size.

MLP is used to reduce the file size - and bit rate - to allow 24/96 in 5.1 to be spec compliant. It's my understanding that DVD Audio Solo doesn't do .mlp, therefore the discs are output at 24/48 to make sure the bitrate doesn't exceed the limit for dvd. If you dropped in songs that are 24/96 then they would come out as 24/48. This would be the advantage of a program such as Discwelder Chrome. With Chrome you can use .mlp files and therefore not have to downconvert your files which are 24/96.

 

[DeeVa]

What dolt wrote that? It's obvious that he/she didn't read the flow of this thread.

elshagon wrote that on the surround sound board. Why do you call him a dolt?

 

[PMCErnie]

elshagon wrote that on the surround sound board. Why do you call him a dolt?

Obviously it is you who is stoking the fires here. Everyone can see that. You posted a quote without attribution to the author's name. My points have been clear. I luvs the Bluetooth streaming. Get over it.

 

[DeeVa]

Obviously it is you who is stoking the fires here. Everyone can see that. You posted a quote without attribution to the author's name. My points have been clear. I luvs the Bluetooth streaming. Get over it.

PMCErnie, the one thing that is consistent, thread to thread, is that you act like a jerk. I have never seen someone make such an impact so quickly. Enjoy your new car.

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[TimC]

The bluray of this disc uses DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 which is what is used by DTS for lossless audio on bluray discs. Dolby uses TrueHD for its lossless on bluray which is pretty much the same as mlp that is found on DVD-Audio discs. I have the bluray and the DVD-Audio of the Black & White Night, but haven't directly compared them to see if they sound identical. My guess is they sound very close to the same, as I'm sure the source is the same for both. All the channels are used and has a good mix for a concert.

Thanks for the answer.
I have the Blu-Ray and will rip the audio out and put it on a DVD-A.

My biggest problem is my Genesis sounds better than my Bose 5.1/Klipsch hybrid system at home, so I tend to spend more time listening in my garage than I do in my house.

There are certain types of music I like better on my "Good Old" Stereo system, but very few as I get older.
Some days there's nothing like listening to Montrose - 'Bad Motor Scooter' or Outlaws 'Green Grass and High Tides' at window rattling volume though my Klipsch Cornwall II/Heresy II setup in Stereo.
Other days nothing compares to 'Dark Side of the Moon' on my Lexicon Genesis...

 

[TimC]

elshagon,

Are you using DVD+ or DVD- discs?
I'm not having very much success with Verbatim DVD+ discs and was thinking of getting some DVD- to try.

I can play the same track three times in the Lexicon and it will pause in different places each time.
The same disc will play fine on my home DVD-A player and never misses a beat.

Update:
For anyone interested in burning their own DVD-A discs .
At least in my Lexicon System, DVD-R discs work fine, DVD+ do not.
I tried Verbatim and Memorex in both Single and Dual Layer

 

[elshagon]

elshagon,

Are you using DVD+ or DVD- discs?
I'm not having very much success with Verbatim DVD+ discs and was thinking of getting some DVD- to try.

I can play the same track three times in the Lexicon and it will pause in different places each time.
The same disc will play fine on my home DVD-A player and never misses a beat.

Update:
For anyone interested in burning their own DVD-A discs .
At least in my Lexicon System, DVD-R discs work fine, DVD+ do not.
I tried Verbatim and Memorex in both Single and Dual Layer

So far I've used Verbatim and Sony, both +R with mixed results. Most work fine but a few have had skips. The dual layer discs I've tried work except have problems with the layer break on the dvd. I don't have any Verbatim -R to test, but I do have some Sony -R dvd's. I'm going to test one today with a disc I previously burned that had skips. For those of you who have requested a demo dvd I'm holding off until I can figure out which burning methods work best with the Genesis.

edit: The Sony -R played without any skipping. Thanks for letting us know your results. I will for now on burn using -R discs and see how they do. The +R dvd's usually worked fine too, but a few had skips. I will continue testing the -R blanks this week.

 

[Ruissimo]

I couldnt' find 8.5GB DVD-R discs anywhere near me.

For some reason... they only had DVD+R's in dual layer.

Haven't tried online though.

 

[TimC]

They had one box at OfficeMax near me.
3 discs cost more than I paid for a spindle of 50 DVD-R's, but I just wanted to test anyways. (they worked where the Verbatim DVD+DL did not.)

http://www.officemax.com/technology/drives-memory-storage/cds-dvds-and-data-storage/dvd-media/product-prod2050034


So far I have made "backups" of 12 DVD-A discs using the Memorex "El-Cheapo" DVD-R from Walmart.
All have been playing fine except one of The Doobie Brothers Captain and Me.
Tonight I'm going to re-burn that one and see if maybe I did something wrong.

BTW, I was very surprised to see the ratings at QQ be so low for BB King/Eric Clapton Riding with the King.
I love that disc and the way it sounds like Mr. King is sitting on my dashboard and Eric is riding shotgun...

I have to admit I've never heard of Porcupine Tree, so I ordered a DVD-A of STUPID DREAM to see what's up with that.

 

[TimC]

MLP is used to reduce the file size - and bit rate - to allow 24/96 in 5.1 to be spec compliant. It's my understanding that DVD Audio Solo doesn't do .mlp, therefore the discs are output at 24/48 to make sure the bitrate doesn't exceed the limit for dvd. If you dropped in songs that are 24/96 then they would come out as 24/48. This would be the advantage of a program such as Discwelder Chrome. With Chrome you can use .mlp files and therefore not have to downconvert your files which are 24/96.

OK, I ran into a good example today as to why NOT to use .FLAC
I tried making a DVD-A using Cirlinca with FLAC files and they exceeded 9.6Mb/s...not good.
The player made an effort to play it, then got so confused it just started hissing on all channels.
I split the WAV channels and re-encoded to MLP and it plays perfectly.

Thanks for the explanation above, now it all makes perfect sense to me.

 

[2010_vl]

What are you using to convert Blu-Ray concerts to DVD-A. I have several concerts I would love to be able to have in DVD-A, such at Chris Botti (Live in Boston), Roy Orbison and Friend (A black and White Concert)...

You might find this links useful for the conversion. BTW, the Chris Botti Live in Boston bluray audio is 16 bit padded to 24 bit.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/c...-Audio-Using-Dark-Side-Moon-Immersion-Box-Set

http://www.macworld.com/article/161078/2011/07/how_to_rip_audio_from_your_bluray_discs.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPk-T9HXTg0&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

 

[elshagon]

You might find this links useful for the conversion. BTW, the Chris Botti Live in Boston bluray audio is 16 bit padded to 24 bit.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/c...-Audio-Using-Dark-Side-Moon-Immersion-Box-Set

http://www.macworld.com/article/161078/2011/07/how_to_rip_audio_from_your_bluray_discs.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPk-T9HXTg0&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

The first link there has the method I use to extract the audio from bluray. I don't go thru all the steps as I'm only interested in ripping the audio to wav or flac and then encoding it to .mlp to use when I make the dvd-audio. It's time consuming and there is a learning curve. Plus you have to get the software and have it setup correctly which is a big step.

 

[TimC]

You might find this links useful for the conversion. BTW, the Chris Botti Live in Boston bluray audio is 16 bit padded to 24 bit.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/c...-Audio-Using-Dark-Side-Moon-Immersion-Box-Set

http://www.macworld.com/article/161078/2011/07/how_to_rip_audio_from_your_bluray_discs.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPk-T9HXTg0&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

Wow, Tranzcode is Much faster at extracting the .WAVs than the way I did it!
I wouldn't have been 1/2hour late for work this morning if I had used this one...

Thanks for the link.

 

[TimC]

I didn't' know...

I didn't know that the systems in our Genesis are actually 7.1

http://hyundai.lexicon.com/system.aspx

No wonder it sounds so good, and that explains why it sounds to me like some of the instruments shift slightly when I select the Surround-Sound on a true 5.1 DVD-A...