Solution! LED DRL's and LED turn signals

[Midnightsun]

The headlamp design has just changed for the US Spec Genesis, the DRL is now the led surround and it is white.

If you read this on the spec sheet I would not believe it until you see it. There are quite a few mistakes on their site and in the brochure which have never been corrected to date.

 

[italiabrain]

The headlamp design has just changed for the US Spec Genesis, the DRL is now the led surround and it is white.

Source?

 

[jjurado]

Source?

The Source is HMC headquarters.

 

[Mr.Gekko]

Is this for existing 2015 models or for new builds?

 

[jjurado]

Is this for existing 2015 models or for new builds?

for new builds, they just changed it.

 

[Onuriss]

for new builds, they just changed it.

Are they going to provide a hardware/software update for the rest of us Genesis owners? Can you provide a link to the source?

 

[Midnightsun]

Before we get our panties in a knot, let's verify this claim. Just because a poster says so does not mean this is accurate. (no offence but some ill informed HMA person may have steered you wrong) Does it make any sense at all to go through all the trouble in designing and producing a USA headlight system only to change your mind a couple months later and scrap it? Costly error if this the case. I'm not taking the lure on this one until I see some substantial proof.

 

[Midnightsun]

Are they going to provide a hardware/software update for the rest of us Genesis owners? Can you provide a link to the source?

This would imply changing the housings which are around $1500 each and probably wiring so no chance in hell they will retrofit previously produced cars. Just like they may add soft close doors in a mid year upgrade or next year or maybe never (do not start a rumour, this is only a hypothetical example) however I seriously doubt anybody expects to have them install this because you purchased earlier.

I have been here since the beginning and remember very well the issues some were having with the poor suspension on the first year Gen 1. Some even sold the car because of it, others modified their car. When Hyundai changed the suspension, some of the previous buyers cried foul and expected Hyundai to install the newer suspension. Come on now, things improve with time and always will, how in the world can anyone expect them to install improvements they make all the time to previous buyers is beyond me. The only items they will install are safety related issues and those would be recalls.

 

[jjurado]

I don't think they will change the anything about the current cars nor provide hardware or software, I didn't ask but I doub it.

I can confirm and tell you that the headlights have been changed for the US maket.

I spoke personally with a high position executive in HMC headquartes in Korea ans he confirmed it a couple of days ago. I was going to order one V8 with US specs and if I do, it will already bring the new headlights.

This is a fact guys. I have inside information.

 

[ksoze]

This is a fact guys. I have inside information.

Any other changes to share....

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[Mark_888]

Before we get our panties in a knot, let's verify this claim. Just because a poster says so does not mean this is accurate. (no offence but some ill informed HMA person may have steered you wrong).

Just to be clear, he is claiming that information was from HMC in Korea, not HMA.

 

[italiabrain]

This would imply changing the housings which are around $1500 each and probably wiring so no chance in hell they will retrofit previously produced cars. Just like they may add soft close doors in a mid year upgrade or next year or maybe never (do not start a rumour, this is only a hypothetical example) however I seriously doubt anybody expects to have them install this because you purchased earlier.

I have been here since the beginning and remember very well the issues some were having with the poor suspension on the first year Gen 1. Some even sold the car because of it, others modified their car. When Hyundai changed the suspension, some of the previous buyers cried foul and expected Hyundai to install the newer suspension. Come on now, things improve with time and always will, how in the world can anyone expect them to install improvements they make all the time to previous buyers is beyond me. The only items they will install are safety related issues and those would be recalls.

Presuming this whole change is true in the first place, and that the only change is to make the current parking lights into DRL's, that could potentially be a very simple software change. I can't say I've checked a wiring diagram or anything, but I would bet based on the behavior of the car (current headlight state showing up in the gauge cluster, etc.) that it's not a simple uninterrupted circuit from the stalk to the light. I'm guessing there's a microcontroller in there that could change the "meaning" of an input.

 

[LouKango]

A simple reprogramming from dealership to enable LED DRL would be great but I doubt we will see that happening.
1. Our parking lights/headlight eyelid LEDs are probably different design from over sea models to cut cost of production. If our parking lights are to be use as DRL... they'll be to be much brighter and I doubt our headlight housings got the necessary hardware installed already be made into bright DRL.
2. Hyundai is not going to spend money out of their own pocket to change DRL from 1157 amber bulbs to LED on cars they already sold. But I can see them making changes on 2nd year model or mid cycle refresh to add LED DRL to draw in more buyers.

But who knows... if they really can give us bright LED DRLs with simple reprogramming from dealership... I'll be the first on line.

 

[Midnightsun]

A simple reprogramming from dealership to enable LED DRL would be great but I doubt we will see that happening.
1. Our parking lights/headlight eyelid LEDs are probably different design from over sea models to cut cost of production. If our parking lights are to be use as DRL... they'll be to be much brighter and I doubt our headlight housings got the necessary hardware installed already be made into bright DRL.
2. Hyundai is not going to spend money out of their own pocket to change DRL from 1157 amber bulbs to LED on cars they already sold. But I can see them making changes on 2nd year model or mid cycle refresh to add LED DRL to draw in more buyers.

But who knows... if they really can give us bright LED DRLs with simple reprogramming from dealership... I'll be the first on line.

Let me explain how the LED version works or the non USA like we have in Canada. You still have the amber 1157 bulbs in the inner most housing same as the US which are strictly used for flashers, no other bulb is in this housing. The LED surround IS the DRL which is very bright white when in use as a DRL. When the headlights are turned on the LED surround dims about 50%. When using any flasher while on DRL which means the headlights are off, the surround LED turns off around that light only for the duration of the flasher. This is done so the flasher becomes more prominent or a safety feature if you prefer. We now only have 1 headlight bulb per side to manage both high and low beams and it is HID, or correctly referred to a bixenon. Law requires all bixenon to have a self levelling device built into them to avoid blinding oncoming traffic due to the high intensity characteristics of HID. This is built into the beam housing and uses an electric motor.

 

[jjurado]

This is how the new US spec hesdlight would look like. According to what Hyundai told me and I quote " the yellow light would be the side repeater"

 

[ifli43]

There have been lots of really useful input on this subject and one concern I had from the outset was how to ensure the dust cover integrity would be maintained after cutting to accommodate the Vled cables. This was my solution if it helps.
Remove the engine covers, the support brace and set the air intake aside and remove the dust covers from the light housings as previously discussed.
Remove the sealing rings from the covers.
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4338&stc=1&d=1411870187
Drill 1/8 pilot hole about ½ in from the edge of the blank unprinted sector. I found a fine step drill worked for me opening to a 11/32 hole that cleared the sealing flange. (It could be smaller for 2 holes – see later). I tried just a single hole but that did not work because the cables need to slide through the dust cover when fitting it back in the housing and 2 cables in one hole was too tight. One larger hole would also work but make sure its further in from the flange. (Or use 2 smaller holes as long as cables slide through cover).
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4339&stc=1&d=1411870187
Using a small Dremel cutting wheel, cut about 1/8 slot to the hole(s). Smooth edges.
Fit Vled into DRL/turn light. For some reason I could not get 3 screws to work for driver side but 2 with the medium rubber spacer were very tight. Connect 1157 adapter.
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4340&stc=1&d=1411870187.
Slide sealing ring over cables and positioning cover behind sealing ring. For my install I found the best fit was to have the 1157 to control wire on the inside and control to Vled closer to the outside. Squeeze the wires inside the sleeves so they are flat and slip through the slot into the holes. Fit the sealing ring and carefully slide up the wires to mate with the housing and close.
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4341&stc=1&d=1411870187
I finally opted to use the spare hole on the outside of the blank air intake for the driver side and the fixing bolt in the same place on the passenger side to mount the control box. This pulled the metal back of control box against the frame and while resting on top of it which I hope will be enough to dissipate heat.
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4342&stc=1&d=1411870187
Finally sealed the holes in the cover with clear silicone (not too pretty) and secured the cables with a tie.
Vleds were plug and play and very bright. There is a momentary pause of steady orange when switching back to the white DRL but I am told this is normal with switch backs.
I am sure there will be other solutions and refinements but if you want to change the look of your Genesis, this is a very simple solution.

 

[genesis@genesisworld.com]

Sensible and simple. Thanks so much for the great detail.

 

[Genpire]

my thoughts on this whole thing....we shouldn't be having to hack up the headlights on a brand new 50k car. Hyundai screwed the US when they decided not to have LED DRL. the same LEDS that outline the headlight lenses. these worthless yellow amber DRLs are a joke and look like crap. I talked to the service dept about it and they said it wasn't just a simple software update, its a wiring change....most likely totally different headlights.

I see these dual projector ones from Korea...but I'll be damned if I'm spending 2000 dollars on some headlights that should have been on the car to begin with.

it wasn't enough to stop me from buying the car...but damn man every other high end luxo car out there has daylight surround LED DRLs. get with it Hyundai...geesh!

I'll be glad to what for a 3rd party to design a simple plug and play solution that doesn't void any warranty. I'll gladly pay a couple hundred for it.

 

[italiabrain]

my thoughts on this whole thing....we shouldn't be having to hack up the headlights on a brand new 50k car. Hyundai screwed the US when they decided not to have LED DRL. the same LEDS that outline the headlight lenses. these worthless yellow amber DRLs are a joke and look like crap. I talked to the service dept about it and they said it wasn't just a simple software update, its a wiring change....most likely totally different headlights.

I see these dual projector ones from Korea...but I'll be damned if I'm spending 2000 dollars on some headlights that should have been on the car to begin with.

it wasn't enough to stop me from buying the car...but damn man every other high end luxo car out there has daylight surround LED DRLs. get with it Hyundai...geesh!

I'll be glad to what for a 3rd party to design a simple plug and play solution that doesn't void any warranty. I'll gladly pay a couple hundred for it.

If the LEDs are also 12V and there is a separate wire for the DRL and turn functions on the amber it could be a very simple rewire. Anyone have a wiring diagram for the current model?