SPYSHOTS: The next generation of the Genesis G80 is here

[Glaz]

And no normally aspirated V6 3.8? Or V8 5.0?
My Cousin paid over 60K for a Benz E300 with a 2L 4cyl making 240HP and the thing sounds like a buzzsaw at idle. So unBenzlike. 4cyls make blown power but sound terrible and are jittery. I will take the lower MPG of a V6.

V8 I believe is no longer going to be offered. The 3.8 will retire for the new generation as well. If you look at the 3.8L it makes roughly around what the new 2.5T will make. Also Benz 4 cylinders aren’t that good IMO.

 

[Aura]

V8 I believe is no longer going to be offered. The 3.8 will retire for the new generation as well. If you look at the 3.8L it makes roughly around what the new 2.5T will make. Also Benz 4 cylinders aren’t that good IMO.

Has it been confirmed the V8 won’t be offered? ):

 

[Glaz]

Has it been confirmed the V8 won’t be offered? ):

More then likely as the 3.5TT will be producing 400+ HP so why have a V8 that produces 420HP when you can have a more efficient one. Also the V8 engine they use is very long in the tooth. They will most likely only have the 5.0 for the G90 until the end of its generation.

 

[Aura]

More then likely as the 3.5TT will be producing 400+ HP so why have a V8 that produces 420HP when you can have a more efficient one. Also the V8 engine they use is very long in the tooth. They will most likely only have the 5.0 for the G90 until the end of its generation.

What if they brought out a final iteration of the V8 that produced more horsepower but was equally efficient? ):

 

[Glaz]

What if they brought out a final iteration of the V8 that produced more horsepower but was equally efficient? ):

As much as I would like to see that, it seems highly unlikely due to there really hasn’t been any data about Hyundai/Genesis creating a new V8 engine. The main engine that Hyundai has been more focused on is the 2.5T as it is more efficient . The competition on the other hand offers V8’s but the majority of consumers buy 4 Cylinders and 6 Cylinders. Very small percentage of people buy V8 today.

 

[Aura]

As much as I would like to see that, it seems highly unlikely due to there really hasn’t been any data about Hyundai/Genesis creating a new V8 engine. The main engine that Hyundai has been more focused on is the 2.5T as it is more efficient . The competition on the other hand offers V8’s but the majority of consumers buy 4 Cylinders and 6 Cylinders. Very small percentage of people buy V8 today.

We’ll have to wait and see, but it’s been so quiet lately. There doesn’t seem to be any new spy shots for some time now. I’m trying to be patient haha... but it’s been so long.

 

[Glaz]

We’ll have to wait and see, but it’s been so quiet lately. There doesn’t seem to be any new spy shots for some time now. I’m trying to be patient haha... but it’s been so long.

They are quite because they are in the phase of “The Calm Before The Storm” I was just looking at some spy shots and the last time we heard anything was a month ago. Either they have completed testing or they shifted their focus into the GV80. Only time will tell.

 

[Aura]

They are quite because they are in the phase of “The Calm Before The Storm” I was just looking at some spy shots and the last time we heard anything was a month ago. Either they have completed testing or they shifted their focus into the GV80. Only time will tell.

Haha, I’m patiently waiting for that reveal. Thankfully it will eventually be revealed.

 

[the.tru.albertan]

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[glennk]

It's all about money. Hyundai/Kia produce a huge amount of 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Retooling for the 2.5TT and 3.5TT will be minimal. The V8 on the other hand is exclusive to the G80/Genesis and G90. With such limited numbers produced, it's not worth their while. Not to mention, look to Lexus. The new LS500 now has a turbocharged V6. You can be sure, Toyota will be using this engine in other V8 automobiles.

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[glennk]

Heck, even Subaru has dropped the H-6 in favor of a turbocharged 2.5 4 cylinder engine.

 

[Aura]

Australia never got the V8 or the G90 so I don’t mind, but it seemed like it’s an amazing engine. Though considering Hyundai has so much money, wouldn’t they be unfazed spending it? Irregardless if it’s a small sector. They seem to be spending big on every facet of their vehicles to attract customers and compete.

Lexus IS already established and Suburu is a smaller manufacturer. Hyundai however need to make Genesis attractive to the competition, so I wouldn’t doubt if they did go all out.

 

[YEH]

I found an article on a Korean site and the CEO of Hyundai Motors said the third generation platform would be applied to the G80. I don’t know if the platform was made for the G80 but it appears to be a global platform.

The phrasing is a bit ambiguous (as of yet, no statement that the G80 and Sonata will share [name of platform), but if true, very interesting, as Hyundai has been pretty mum about the platform underpinning the next G80 and GV80.

Only thing we know is that they have taken steps to reduce weight, like for the new Sonata (which cut over 100 lbs).

Ford/Lincoln have their new D6 platform and theoretically, VW's MQB can be adapted to drive the rear axle.

Maybe the confusion is in using the term platform for these, as they are more systems/kits.

A RWD/longitudinal application of the D6 would be quite different from the FWD/transverse version.

Hyundai has been more vocal about its new powertrains - speaking of which...

And no normally aspirated V6 3.8? Or V8 5.0?
My Cousin paid over 60K for a Benz E300 with a 2L 4cyl making 240HP and the thing sounds like a buzzsaw at idle. So unBenzlike. 4cyls make blown power but sound terrible and are jittery. I will take the lower MPG of a V6.

That's one reason why the displacement has been increased to 2.5L; altho the 2.0 will carry on in certain markets/models in an upgraded form (getting the Smart Stream technologies; not clear if the 2.0 uses the same Theta II block or has been upgraded to Theta III).

Genesis has already stated that the G80 will be the first to get the new 2.5T as its base engine and we also know that the new 3.5T will replace the 3.3T.

Could Genesis add the NA 3.5L as a 3rd engine option?

While I was hoping Hyundai would develop a smaller displacement/FI V8, having an increasingly difficult time seeing a business case for it.

The 3.5T is able to put out 400+ hp; w/ electrification, 500+ hp (w/ early torque) would be doable.

 

[Aura]

I tried finding the article but it was in Korean and I can’t remember what I clicked. It was on a site like this where news of Hyundai and Genesis are posted in forums. I had to translate the words.

 

[YEH]

^ I guess we'll find out soon enough.

The fact that the video shows a FWD/transverse platform wouldn't be indicative as that was showing the platform for the new Sonata.

A RWD/longitudinal layout would be materially different and in a way, a different platform (hence, being more of a system/kit).

Lexus IS already established and Suburu is a smaller manufacturer. Hyundai however need to make Genesis attractive to the competition, so I wouldn’t doubt if they did go all out.

Lexus is established to varying degrees (based on the market), but the US market has been the one where Lexus has done the best w/ its RWD offerings (the ones that compete head-to-head w/ BMW and MB).

But even here, Lexus RWD sales have been dwindling (ever becoming more reliant on its cheaper FWD models for sales).

A big part of that is due to Toyota having been so slow in updating the engines for Lexus.

Genesis got a T6 before Lexus and the T4 (241 hp) in the IS isn't that much better than the anemic V6 that was used for the IS 300.

But, Lexus still uses its V8 for the LC 500 and there has been talk of Lexus doing an LS 500-F.

So, Genesis could end up keeping the Tau V8 for the G90 (could eek out a bit more power and add electrification) and if they ever do a GV90.

 

[Aura]

^ I guess we'll find out soon enough.

The fact that the video shows a FWD/transverse platform wouldn't be indicative as that was showing the platform for the new Sonata.

A RWD/longitudinal layout would be materially different and in a way, a different platform (hence, being more of a system/kit).




Lexus is established to varying degrees (based on the market), but the US market has been the one where Lexus has done the best w/ its RWD offerings (the ones that compete head-to-head w/ BMW and MB).

But even here, Lexus RWD sales have been dwindling (ever becoming more reliant on its cheaper FWD models for sales).

A big part of that is due to Toyota having been so slow in updating the engines for Lexus.

Genesis got a T6 before Lexus and the T4 (241 hp) in the IS isn't that much better than the anemic V6 that was used for the IS 300.

But, Lexus still uses its V8 for the LC 500 and there has been talk of Lexus doing an LS 500-F.

So, Genesis could end up keeping the Tau V8 for the G90 (could eek out a bit more power and add electrification) and if they ever do a GV90.

^That’s true, good points. Hopefully all may be revealed in April.

 

[WPB]

Dear Genesis:
One of the main reasons I bought "your" G80 was I could get it with a V6 normally aspirated engine. Not wanting to spend $90K of a Mercedes E class with a 4 cylinder, 2 liter, turbo, my choice came down to the G80 or a Lincoln MKZ. The engine made the choice easy.

 

[Glaz]

Dear Genesis:
One of the main reasons I bought "your" G80 was I could get it with a V6 normally aspirated engine. Not wanting to spend $90K of a Mercedes E class with a 4 cylinder, 2 liter, turbo, my choice came down to the G80 or a Lincoln MKZ. The engine made the choice easy.

Well in Genesis defence, the competition is moving towards getting rid of Naturally Aspirated V6’s. You’d be surprised how well the 3.3TT V6 performs compared to the NA 3.8L. Genesis current models right now have one of the worst fuel economies compared to their competitors. They need to improve their fuel economy a lot and that’s why the 2.5T will be coming in to affect for the next Gen G80. On a Business standpoint it makes logical sense they have to travel this route in order to be more competitive even in fuel economy.

 

[Twolf]

V8 I believe is no longer going to be offered. The 3.8 will retire for the new generation as well. If you look at the 3.8L it makes roughly around what the new 2.5T will make. Also Benz 4 cylinders aren’t that good IMO.

Totally agree that Benz 4s are not good. And yes, the 2.5T will have close to the same power, but the delivery will not be as smooth.

 

[Twolf]

Dear Genesis:
One of the main reasons I bought "your" G80 was I could get it with a V6 normally aspirated engine. Not wanting to spend $90K of a Mercedes E class with a 4 cylinder, 2 liter, turbo, my choice came down to the G80 or a Lincoln MKZ. The engine made the choice easy.

Same here, glad at least 2 of us in this forum agree. V8s rule, V6s deliver, I4s suck. Oh and Benz was going to share 4cyls with Nissan, what a crock.