Tesla CyberTruck

[joschneider]

EV to me is boring like ive said before ICE engines are like a work of art speccially big power ICE engines that shakes your house everytime you start it up, playing in high rpms and listening to that engine scream and lighting up your tires doing burn outs , how about that sweet smell of 100 oct......

that may be true, but a car from the 50's that was a 'work of art' at the time would be boring as hell and dangerous to drive today. With innovation and time, I imagine history will repeat itself

 

[MG8]

that may be true, but a car from the 50's that was a 'work of art' at the time would be boring as hell and dangerous to drive today. With innovation and time, I imagine history will repeat itself
[/QUO

boring??? idk man but those are classics, i seen some dope builds and heard some engines that sound amazing.

 

[MG8]

I mean how would you restore a EV in the future? will they ever be classics ? you going to swap your tesla battery with a combination of duracell and energizer battery and call it a frankenstein like the do in the honda communities with ls/vtec?

 

[Beefer]

Also...if something goes wrong with your Tesla...you cannot go to a normal garage/mechanic...they don't allow it. Total BS.

 

[MG8]

Also...if something goes wrong with your Tesla...you cannot go to a normal garage/mechanic...they don't allow it. Total BS.

even any auto store they dont have one thing for a tesla. turn you into a sheep.

 

[Edmguy]

I may one day own a Tesla, but it will definitely not be the Cybertruck...

I honestly thought it must be an joke. Checked the calendar though and it wasn't April 1st. Though Tesla is typically way behind so maybe this was an April 1, 2019 joke.

 

[MG8]

I've had and driven a lot of modern luxury and supercars, and nothing compared to the fun factor of Tesla.

IDK about this, nothing more fun than dumping the clutch, banging through gears, heel toe , down shifting on turns , thats fun to me real sports and spirited driving.

 

[EdP]

Where are you getting this information? I'm not an expert so I won't cite anything as fact, but there are multiple studies from independent authorities that do not support your statement. As I understand it, manufacturing processes have reached efficiencies, especially in the US, to the point where CO2 emission and waste produced during EV manufacturing is comparable to what's produced for ICE car manufacturing. Factoring in that EVs don't produce tailpipe emissions as opposed to an ICE car that is spewing emissions during its lifetime, the case seems to be pretty strong that EVs are better for the environment. Maybe 10 years ago this was less true when manufacturing processes were still nascent, but I think it's gotten a lot better now and continues to improve as the technology matures. As far as disposal goes, ICE cars aren't exactly free of hazardous substances so the argument can be made that disposal of ICE cars pose much of the same environmental risks as EVs. In terms of the battery, the ideal is to repurpose or recycle them at end of life. Hopefully, that will be the case, but again, this is pretty new tech we're talking about so development still needs to happen in this area. But that doesn't mean EV tech is a failure.

I did not save the information so I don't have any citations, but there are studies showing EV is no better. There are articles about 10 year old kids working in lithium mines too. Do a Google search and 800,000 hits will let you decide.

The industry is still new and I'm sure it will get better. There are still many obstacles to overcome. Charging, for instance. If there was a mass change to EV in a year many would be sitting with dead batteries. Of course, it can be fixed with time and money. If you live in an apartment building you may need a long extension cord. Same with parking on many city streets. You are lucky to find a parking spot on your own block, rare in front of your own house.
Tesla is also different than other brands. They seem to be almost a cult following but they are not the only EV maker, they are a pioneer though, like them or not. They certainly will not go away.

Going back some years I did a lot of photography had my own darkroom. Like many, I had my favorite film and paper. Digital came along and it had some benefits but the quality sucked. Film was far superior. The digital guys kept plugging along, cameras got better, printers got better, then one day I put my enlarger away and never bought a roll of film again. I suspect EV may be like that. Won't be next week or probably not next year, but there will be a big change.
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[EdP]

IDK about this, nothing more fun than dumping the clutch, banging through gears, heel toe , down shifting on turns , thats fun to me real sports and spirited driving.

Certainly is. I've had a few cars like that, even better in a convertible with the top down. These days though, I can't justify 2 cars so my daily driver is auto and the convertible was replaced with climate control.

One of my favorite features on the Genesis is "Auto Hold" so I don't have to keep my foot on the brake. They don't have that for a clutch.

 

[Husky]

Exactly. EV is the future, like it or not, but it will be a slow transition. Battery cost and capacity, along with the needed infrastructure, will be the pacing items.
Don't worry, you'll be able to bang those gears for a long time. (I can see the future bumper stickers now.. "you'll have to take my gearshift from my cold, dead fingers".)

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[EdP]

Exactly. EV is the future, like it or not, but it will be a slow transition. Battery cost and capacity, along with the needed infrastructure, will be the pacing items.
Don't worry, you'll be able to bang those gears for a long time. (I can see the future bumper stickers now.. "you'll have to take my gearshift from my cold, dead fingers".)

Let's not forget gas taxes. Both State and Federal governments get a few pennies a gallon. For now, the EVs are getting a break but once the funds drop they will recoup somehow.

 

[Dimitry]

tesla is only fun on acceleration, cool feels like a ride, but reality After three or four laps at tire-torturing, the car begins to reduce power output. i dont find waiting for a charge any fun.

IDK about this, nothing more fun than dumping the clutch, banging through gears, heel toe , down shifting on turns , thats fun to me real sports and spirited driving.

To each their own of course! I'd say its more of an acquired taste. I'm a huge fan of the safety and technology (naturally being in the technology sector) that Tesla offers. I quite enjoy the art aspect of certain combustion cars still (I absolutely love the 458, 488, Aventador, new Continental GT stylings), and they're still fun, just not as fun for me personally I certainly don't miss going to the gas station or getting oil changes in the Tesla for sure!

As for the environmentally conscious, electric vehicles are far worse than conventional, combustion engine vehicles when you factor in the manufacturing waste and processes for the batteries and related components not to mention the eventual disposal issues.

This isn't true. There may be certain techniques that may be worse with EVs, if you factor in the overall affect, it is less detrimental than oil.

I'm pretty proud that Tesla has been around nearly a full magnitude longer than a lot of traditional brands and is already the most valuable domestic brand. Something is certainly to be said for a company that doesn't spend money on endorsements or advertisements, and can't produce enough cars to sell quick enough to meet demand. It's the most disruption I have seen in the industry ever, I can't wait to see the next 5-10 years as battery chemistry improves.

Let's not forget gas taxes. Both State and Federal governments get a few pennies a gallon. For now, the EVs are getting a break but once the funds drop they will recoup somehow.

A lot of states are beginning to recoup that by higher annual registration fees. I'll pay $100 more just for having a full EV here in my state, that will probably continue to be the general trend.

 

[Toddasaurus]

I'll own an EV at some point when other car manufacturers catch up to Tesla's tech. Aside from the Model S, I think every Tesla is duck ugly (yes duck, as in duck face), and the interiors are just horrendous!! Controlling EVERYTHING through that huge iPad is ridiculous, and in some cases, dangerous. The minimalist design cues are great for hotels, but not so much for cars. Also, the fit and finish (both exterior and interior) are pretty sloppy. But to be fair, most american automakers are in the same category. Lol.

I like what Tesla is doing in terms of technology, but I don't like the majority of their finished products.

I don't know much about lithium mining, but I have seen several articles like this about Tesla's Gigafactories....

Tesla Gigafactory Employee Death Raises Workers' Safety Concerns

Tesla's safety problems at its Nevada Gigafactory detailed in new report

Tesla factory workers reveal pain, injury and stress: 'Everything feels like the future but us'


...I'm sure some of it is hyperbole, but when you start seeing consistent reports saying essentially the same thing, then you've got to admit that there is some truth to the claims.

 

[Julius88]

I did not save the information so I don't have any citations, but there are studies showing EV is no better. There are articles about 10 year old kids working in lithium mines too. Do a Google search and 800,000 hits will let you decide.

Again, I'm not a scientist so I won't definitively disagree with you, but I do doubt the position that EVs are no better, or as some will argue, worse for the environment than ICE cars. I don't work directly in the EV industry, but am in finance and my firm invests heavily in the renewable energy sector. My colleague manages a portfolio that is focused on EV tech and his team is very much aware of current research in the area. Hearing him tell it, a lot of studies that are critical of EV tech have been discredited as biased, or at best, do not have the backing of the independent scientific community. Don't forget that Tesla is one of the most shorted stock in the US market so there is a lot of financial interest in spreading information that is detrimental to the EV industry, and some parties will not necessarily care whether that information is true or not.

As far as kids working in lithium mines, I'm cynical enough about the state of the world to believe this. It's definitely sad, but I don't think exploitation of people (particularly in the developing world) is a problem that is isolated to EV technology. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I don't think condemning EVs will solve this.

 

[Cgo]

boring??? idk man but those are classics, i seen some dope builds and heard some engines that sound amazing.

This was my LS3 powered Chevelle that I built. Classics are great because you can actually work on them even with modern engines and drivetrains.

 

[Cgo]

To each their own of course! I'd say its more of an acquired taste. I'm a huge fan of the safety and technology (naturally being in the technology sector) that Tesla offers. I quite enjoy the art aspect of certain combustion cars still (I absolutely love the 458, 488, Aventador, new Continental GT stylings), and they're still fun, just not as fun for me personally I certainly don't miss going to the gas station or getting oil changes in the Tesla for sure!

So why are you in the G70 forum? As far as I know, G70s aren't electric.

 

[MG8]

To each their own of course! I'd say its more of an acquired taste. I'm a huge fan of the safety and technology (naturally being in the technology sector) that Tesla offers. I quite enjoy the art aspect of certain combustion cars still (I absolutely love the 458, 488, Aventador, new Continental GT stylings), and they're still fun, just not as fun for me personally I certainly don't miss going to the gas station or getting oil changes.

Wait till your tesla breaks down and is no longer covered under warranty. Wait till you go in for your 15k or 30k service wait. Wait till you get your tesla towed cause it wont charge .Dont believe me just watch. Wait what are you even doing in this forum?

 

[MG8]

This was my LS3 powered Chevelle that I built. Classics are great because you can actually work on them even with modern engines and drivetrains.

Beautiful, that's what I'm talking about!

 

[Julius88]

EV to me is boring like ive said before ICE engines are like a work of art speccially big power ICE engines that shakes your house everytime you start it up, playing in high rpms and listening to that engine scream and lighting up your tires doing burn outs , how about that sweet smell of 100 oct......

There's definitely something appealing about a finely tuned combustion engine that's just seething with power, and by contrast an EV seems so sterile. It definitely requires a big shift in mindset, and that's for me as well. I was considering a Tesla, but at the end of the day, I chose to be a proud owner of a gas guzzling, CO2 emitting twin turbo G70. And have no regrets about it.

I'll own an EV at some point when other car manufacturers catch up to Tesla's tech. Aside from the Model S, I think every Tesla is duck ugly (yes duck, as in duck face), and the interiors are just horrendous!! Controlling EVERYTHING through that huge iPad is ridiculous, and in some cases, dangerous. The minimalist design cues are great for hotels, but not so much for cars. Also, the fit and finish (both exterior and interior) are pretty sloppy. But to be fair, most american automakers are in the same category. Lol.

Totally agree. The Model 3 looks tolerably okay from the back, but from the front, its duck face is just weird. Tesla should hire new designers. And those blah interiors...Tesla fans like to say its clean and minimalist, but really it's just cheap and lacks personality. And controlling everything thru the center screen is most definitely dangerous. They may have fixed it at this point, but there was a time when a person needed to go through several submenus in the center screen to adjust the speed of the windshield wipers. Imagine having to take your eyes off the road when it's dark and rainy out to fiddle with the center screen...

 

[Beefer]

I want people to hear me before I plow into them.