V-6 vs V-8

[nunnzzzz]

I would like to get others opinions as to all the differences between the V-6 and the V-8 besides the obvious price and performance issues.

they seem to be:

1)woodgrain trimmed leather steering wheel
2)Electrochromic auto-dimming side mirrors
3)Lower bodyside chrome trim
4)Illuminated scuff plates

anything else?

 

[jwaters943]

Premium leather seating
Split-Spoke Alloy Wheels
Brakes (larger diameter rotors w/ 4-piston calipers)
Electro-Hydraulic Steering
Transmission (ZF vs. Aisin)
The 4.6 badge

If you don't mind the gas penalty, greater insurance cost, and price difference the V8 really is a hell of a deal. I'm perfectly happy with my V6, but it's pretty amazing how much more you get with the V8 for so little extra money.

 

[nunnzzzz]

Thanks for those differences ....i am trying to make a final decision.

Actually there isnt much gas penalty...I think the EPA differences are only 2 MPG between the two engines almost non-existent.

 

[GenFan]

Somebody said something earlier about a sunglasses holder on the V8 version. I don't know about the accuracy of it.

 

[SWilliams]

The technology package has a sunglass holder.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

I was surprised when Hyundai came out with the V6 for the Genesis. To me the V8 should have been the only way the car was made.

It seems that the Azera could cover the V6 market and the Genesis the V8.

But Hyundai must have researched the market and seen that the V6 will sell. They are manufacturing many more V6s than V8s.

Probably the Azera will go away in the future.

 

[jwaters943]

I personally don't see it that way. The G8, 300, Lucerne, 5-Series, M, GS, STS, etc. all offer 6-cylinder engines, so why wouldn't the Genesis? Offering only a V8 engine in the Genesis at a time like this (e.g. $4-5 gas, economic downturn, stricter CAFE regulations, etc.) would be silly and short-sighted of Hyundai IMO. It's not like the V6 is left wanting in the power department. Heck, Acura/Honda still doesn't even have a V8 engine and Cadillac has no replacement plans for it's Northstar V8 and has no plans to offer a V8 engine outside of their V-Series cars in the future. They're rumored to be using their Direct-Injection V6 in all of their upcoming products due to newly-enacted CAFE restrictions.

Source: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124170

As far as the Azera goes, here is Hyundai's official response as to it's potential demise:

Hyundai of America's marketing honcho said "We want to use the Genesis to sell 30,000 more Azeras." When looking for the kind of association that will lead to that kind of sales impact, not creating a separate brand makes sense. A Nissan GT-R can be expected to help shift more 350Zs -- certainly far more than the supposed Infiniti version of the GT-R would.

Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/17/let-there-be-technology-whats-under-hyundais-new-genesis-seda/

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The future of the v8 is not looking very good.. Most cars with an option for either a v6 or v8 sell with the six cylinder. I'm not quite sure it's a good idea for Hyundai to offer any amenities available ONLY with the purchase of a V8...

 

[GenFan]

I bought my wife a Avalon Limited a couple of years ago. I never gave the Azera a second thought. Now I find myself stalking the Hyundai Dealerships monitoring their inventories and bogus Market Adjustments. In my time at the dealerships I have spent a little time looking at the Azera. It appears to be a great competitor to the Avalon and probably others. My wife's Avalon doesn't have folding mirrors and an electric tilt/telescoping steering wheel. That said, I would still choose the Avalon. I just can't get excited about the body style of the Azera. Trust me, the Avalon isn't bringing home any design awards either, but it is a little more exciting than the Azera.

The price point for a Limited Azera is not too far off from the base model Genesis. I am no expert, but it is difficult for me to see the Azera surviving when the Genesis is sitting next to it. My guess would be that Hyundai is planning to raise the price of the Genesis incrementally as it becomes more successful. This would allow for the Azera to survive.

If this theory sounds like it's coming from a person that has absolutely no clue; it is!

 

[RichieRichLancair]

Well, the LS 460 doesn't offer a 6 cylinder. The 5 series only offers a V8. I think it would brand the Genesis as a bad ass. It would lower production costs, with only one engine, transmission and model setup cost. Maybe knock the base to under36K and the loaded one at under 40K. Wishful thinking...

There is only one MPG difference between the V6 and V8.

With the V8 only it is like the Genesis is saying I'm here to play and I'll kick your ass! And I can be refined too.

With the V6 it is like it doesn't really know where it belongs. It is like I'm civilized and refined. Get my big brother and I'm fast too.

I just prefer the first image. The second is okay, but it seems that the Azera has that handled now. IMO.

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[jwaters943]

Well, the LS 460 doesn't offer a 6 cylinder. The 5 series only offers a V8. I think it would brand the Genesis as a bad ass. It would lower production costs, with only one engine, transmission and model setup cost. Maybe knock the base to under36K and the loaded one at under 40K. Wishful thinking...

There is only one MPG difference between the V6 and V8.

With the V8 only it is like the Genesis is saying I'm here to play and I'll kick your ass! And I can be refined too.

With the V6 it is like it doesn't really know where it belongs. It is like I'm civilized and refined. Get my big brother and I'm fast too.

I just prefer the first image. The second is okay, but it seems that the Azera has that handled now. IMO.

1) Actually, the 5-Series comes with a choice of two 6-cylinder engines, one naturally aspirated, and one turbo-charged (528i & 535i)

2) It's 1 MPG in the city, 2 MPG highway, and 2 MPG combined. Either way, it's enough of a difference to account for approx. $500 difference in gas over the course of a year (not to mention higher insurance premiums, etc.) Source: www.fueleconomy.gov

3) There is a half second difference 0-60 between the V6 (6.1-6.2 seconds 0-60) and V8 (5.6-5.7 seconds 0-60). The V6 has more than enough power to keep up wiith 90% of the cars on the road today, and with less weight over the front wheels, many reviewers have commented on it feeling more balanced.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

I stand corrected. Thanks

Gas prices have changed everything.

Muscle just doesn't sell.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Well, the LS 460 doesn't offer a 6 cylinder. The 5 series only offers a V8. I think it would brand the Genesis as a bad ass. It would lower production costs, with only one engine, transmission and model setup cost. Maybe knock the base to under36K and the loaded one at under 40K. Wishful thinking...

There is only one MPG difference between the V6 and V8.

With the V8 only it is like the Genesis is saying I'm here to play and I'll kick your ass! And I can be refined too.

With the V6 it is like it doesn't really know where it belongs. It is like I'm civilized and refined. Get my big brother and I'm fast too.

I just prefer the first image. The second is okay, but it seems that the Azera has that handled now. IMO.

You may be right being that the v8 and v6 get nearly the same mileage... However, perception does play a role here...

 

[gipp]

According to the manufacturer site of the BMW 5 series it is available with the following engines V8 petrol, Straight 6 petrol, Straight 6 diesel, Four cylinder petrol and Four cyclinder diesel.

Oooops...................again....

 

[RichieRichLancair]

Great!!

Now I'll be hearing from BMWs lawyers!

 

[nunnzzzz]

Gentlement - I STILL can't make the V-6 vs V-8 decison. Since I dont really care about the price difference I am mainly hung up on the other differences. Since I am leaning toward a Black car I think the silver molding on the lower part of the body that is on the V8 but not the V6 will add a lot of punch. Any thoughts?

 

[RichieRichLancair]

Your only choice is a V6 (3.8).

Right now there are no V8s (4.6).

I've heard late September to mid October for the V8s from Hyundai's consumer affairs. I don't know if this is reliable. My guess is that the V8 won't be available in any real numbers until 2009. If then.

On a black car the chrome trim really sets off the car. At least in the pictures.

 

[nunnzzzz]

My dealer in dallas shows delivery of a V8 last week in August first week in September. This guys is a friend of mine who owns the dealership and not some guys that shouldnt know. I am on target to get his first V8 as of now.

 

[GenFan]

nunnzzz,

I also live in Dallas. Do you mind saying which dealership your friend owns.

I am also planning to get the V8 when it is available.

Thank you

 

[jwaters943]

I stand corrected. Thanks

Gas prices have changed everything.

Muscle just doesn't sell.

FWIW, I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just the reality of the marketplace that V6 sales far outweigh V8 sales. It would take Hyundai many years to recoup R&D costs if they only offered a V8 Genesis due to the extremely limited sales numbers.

On a side note, I can't recall off the top of my head, but you did drive a V6 correct? Just curious.