• Car enthusiast? Join us on Cars Connected! iOS | Android | Desktop
  • Hint: Use a descriptive title for your new message
    If you're looking for help and want to draw people in who can assist you, use a descriptive subject title when posting your message. In other words, "I need help with my car" could be about anything and can easily be overlooked by people who can help. However, "I need help with my transmission" will draw interest from people who can help with a transmission specific issue. Be as descriptive as you can. Please also post in the appropriate forum. The "Lounge" is for introducing yourself. If you need help with your G70, please post in the G70 section - and so on... This message can be closed by clicking the X in the top right corner.

Aftermarket Oil Filters

Save possible headaches...use the genuine Hyundai oil filters and keep receipts for all oil/filter changes or DIY installs...saves warranty arguments .
I have done that so far on my 2009. However, when things don't work as they should, Hyundai has a habit of claiming that the observed anomaly "is normal," so that is one reason why people look for better than OEM quality in things like oil filters (in order to avoid problems in the first place).
 
I've seen this TSB before, and it is a general one that applies to all models. I think there is more variance with the spin type canister filters versus the OEM ones. In those cases, the sizes can be different as well as the internal construction including filter medium, flow channels and by pass valves. I can't imagine the the cartridge filters having enough pressure variations to cause knocking in the engine of the Genesis. However, after reading this thread, I'm inclined not to use them, considering there isn't much, if any, cost advantage.
Help! Dealer says I damaged my car with Wix filter

I had to laugh at the dealer comment that the link went to. Damaged his car with the Wix filter? Wix in one of the best filters on the market period. Virtually every test I have read shows Wix to test best or tie with the next filter. They even make great motorcycle filters and I use those too. If I had two filters in front of me, one Wix, one OEM labeled, I would use the Wix without question. I have two diesel pickups and Cummins recomends Wix along with their own filter.
Bill
 
I had to laugh at the dealer comment that the link went to. Damaged his car with the Wix filter? Wix in one of the best filters on the market period. Virtually every test I have read shows Wix to test best or tie with the next filter. They even make great motorcycle filters and I use those too. If I had two filters in front of me, one Wix, one OEM labeled, I would use the Wix without question. I have two diesel pickups and Cummins recomends Wix along with their own filter.
Bill
Hyundai changed filter suppliers starting with 2012 model. The new Hyundai OEM filters are made by Mahle and old ones (2009-2011) were made by Mann. There is some difference in the shape of flanges, but the overall dimensions appear similar, although it is not clear if they are forward/backward compatible, especially for the Tau V8.

The Wix filters for 2009-2011 are identical to the Hyundai OEM filters made by Mann. Since the Wix filter for the 2009-2011 Genesis sedan is also made by Mann, I would not say that the Wix filter is better than the Hyundai OEM filter. This has been proven by close of pictures of each filter, which shows that they are indentical down to the plastic molding dimples on the flange (and many other things that show they are the exactly the same).

Wix does make many of their own filters, and it is likely that many of those filters are better than the OEM ones, but that is not the case for the Hyundai Genesis sedan. There is simply not enough market demand for after-market Hyundai Genesis filters for each filter company to make their own, and they must distribute a filter for each car so they get them from the same place that Hyundai does.

The link where the dealer claimed that the Wix filter caused damage was the result of the Service Rep comparing the 2009-2011 Wix filter made by Mann to the Hyundai 2012 filter made by Mahle and noticing that the flange shapes are quite a bit different, and therefore thinking (mistakenly) that the wrong filter was used, but apparently that got straightened out.
 
While your logic may have merit, the execution is not too different from suing a law firm!
 
Just purchased an oil filter for my 2012 3.8 at Napa. $5.15. Made in Poland !
Incidentally hyundai charge us $17 for their filter in Canada.:mad:
 
Looking to update and upgrade your Genesis luxury sport automobile? Look no further than right here in our own forum store - where orders are shipped immediately!
Hyundai changed filter suppliers starting with 2012 model. The new Hyundai OEM filters are made by Mahle and old ones (2009-2011) were made by Mann. There is some difference in the shape of flanges, but the overall dimensions appear similar, although it is not clear if they are forward/backward compatible, especially for the Tau V8.

The Wix filters for 2009-2011 are identical to the Hyundai OEM filters made by Mann. Since the Wix filter for the 2009-2011 Genesis sedan is also made by Mann, I would not say that the Wix filter is better than the Hyundai OEM filter. This has been proven by close of pictures of each filter, which shows that they are indentical down to the plastic molding dimples on the flange (and many other things that show they are the exactly the same).

Wix does make many of their own filters, and it is likely that many of those filters are better than the OEM ones, but that is not the case for the Hyundai Genesis sedan. There is simply not enough market demand for after-market Hyundai Genesis filters for each filter company to make their own, and they must distribute a filter for each car so they get them from the same place that Hyundai does.

The link where the dealer claimed that the Wix filter caused damage was the result of the Service Rep comparing the 2009-2011 Wix filter made by Mann to the Hyundai 2012 filter made by Mahle and noticing that the flange shapes are quite a bit different, and therefore thinking (mistakenly) that the wrong filter was used, but apparently that got straightened out.

While your comments are reasonable, Wix makes all of the filters that I have used, supposedly including the Genny. If they don't make it I am positive that what they supply is at least equivilent to the OEM filter. Hyundai buys all their filters from outside sources after all. Wix makes their own motorcycle filters which must be a smaller customer base than the Genesis, even if you take ALL models into account. So they (Wix) are willing to manufacture filters even in applications with limited numbers. A company with a good reputation is not going to risk it in this economy with substandard goods. The Wix filters are not a lot cheaper than the oem filters in many places. I use them based on excellent test results in every lab test I have seen. I am not impuning the Hyundai supplied product. I'm simply saying that I am sure that the Wix filter is at least it equal. I have used them for years including race vehicles and never had a mechanical failure.
Bill:)
 
While your comments are reasonable, Wix makes all of the filters that I have used, supposedly including the Genny. If they don't make it I am positive that what they supply is at least equivilent to the OEM filter. Hyundai buys all their filters from outside sources after all. Wix makes their own motorcycle filters which must be a smaller customer base than the Genesis, even if you take ALL models into account. So they (Wix) are willing to manufacture filters even in applications with limited numbers. A company with a good reputation is not going to risk it in this economy with substandard goods. The Wix filters are not a lot cheaper than the oem filters in many places. I use them based on excellent test results in every lab test I have seen. I am not impuning the Hyundai supplied product. I'm simply saying that I am sure that the Wix filter is at least it equal. I have used them for years including race vehicles and never had a mechanical failure.
Bill:)
I think you are trying to generalize too much. How do you know that Wix makes all of the motorcycle filters they distribute? They may make 95% of them, but if there are a few oddball types they may chose to get them from an existing manufacturer so they can be a one-stop distributor to retailers (and especially chain stores). I doubt that there is any brand name that makes every single filter that they distribute. Retail chains want to do business with one or two companies to supply all their needs to the extent possible, because it saves them time, money, and hassle of dealing with a large number of suppliers. (The only reason to do business with two companies is to create a little competition).

What I was suggesting is that the Wix filter for the Genesis is not equivalent to, but exactly the same as the Hyundai OEM filter. Based on my examination of the Wix filter, that was definitely the case for the 2009-2011 Genesis sedan filters, but I admit I am not sure about 2012+ filters, especially since Hyundai switched from Mann to Mahle, and the filters look a little different (but not sure whether they are interchangeable).

If you would like to post some up close pics of a Wix filter for the Genesis sedan, it can be confirmed wether it is made by them, or is identical to the OEM filters.

People get wrapped up in brand loyalty, but that is a twentieth century concept. In the twenty-first century, outsourcing is the word to achieve economy of scale, and things are not exactly what they seem to be just by looking at brand names.

Regarding the market demand of Genesis Sedan after-market filters: Given that the vast majority of owners use an OEM filter, and the Genesis Sedan is not a high volume car, the left over share for after-market filters is probably fairly low (even counting the other Hyundai/Kia vehicles that use that same filter). But I would not absolutely rule out Wix making the Genesis (other than getting it from Mann or Mahle), but I would have to see it to believe it.

Also, I am not one of those afraid to use an after-market filter. Service Managers who are violation of US Federal regulations regarding after-market parts and warranties do not scare me.
 
Just purchased an oil filter for my 2012 3.8 at Napa. $5.15. Made in Poland !
Incidentally hyundai charge us $17 for their filter in Canada.:mad:
Mahle, who supplies the 2012+ Genesis OEM filters (the ones with white end caps), has a manufacturing/logistics plant in Poland. They also manufacture plastic filter housings, presumably like the one used on the Genesis.

I think you mean your dealer charges $17. Not sure what Hyundai charges the dealer, but probably more in CA than in USA due to higher economy of scale for Hyundai Motors America.
 
My dealer's parts department charges $10.70 for a V8 filter.

Is the V6 filter the same??
That is about the right price for the Mahle filters for the 2012+ Genesis. The 2009-2011 filters for made by Mann are about $7-$8. Apparently they charge more in Canada, like they do for the car itself, and for most other imported products.

I believe that the V6 filter for 2012 is the same as the 2009-2011 (made by Mann) based on the online catalog I looked at.
 
TJ and Mark,
I Just purchased the newest Wix filter, And Alas Wix HAS joined the group buying the OEM filter. It, (the new filter), is identical to the Hyundai filter and is manufactured in South Korea. It looks like they got tired of hassle and joined the crowd.
Bill
 
TJ and Mark,
I Just purchased the newest Wix filter, And Alas Wix HAS joined the group buying the OEM filter. It, (the new filter), is identical to the Hyundai filter and is manufactured in South Korea. It looks like they got tired of hassle and joined the crowd.
Bill
You can't expect every company to manufacturer every single low volume filter. They may still make the bulk of their own filters (not including the one for Genesis), and may actually supply them to other brands to sell under a different name in some cases.
 
You can't expect every company to manufacturer every single low volume filter. They may still make the bulk of their own filters (not including the one for Genesis), and may actually supply them to other brands to sell under a different name in some cases.

Actually Mark I was supprised. The new filter is certainly the factory one with the dark end caps. It was not the same as the last one I got. Too bad. must not have been profitable.
Bill
 
Actually Mark I was supprised. The new filter is certainly the factory one with the dark end caps. It was not the same as the last one I got. Too bad. must not have been profitable.
Bill
One thing that is confusing is that there are two Hyundai Genesis filters:
  • 2009-2011 V6/V8 with black end caps made by Mann for Hyundai. (This apparently still used for 2012-2013 V6 also, but not 100% certain about that).
  • 2012-2013 V8 with white end caps made by Mahle
Is it possible that you previously got the the Mahle filter with white end caps branded by Wix (but made by Mahle)?
 
My 2011 mfg. June 2010 came new with the white end cap mahle filter.
 
My 2011 mfg. June 2010 came new with the white end cap mahle filter.
OK, I was not aware exactly when they switched suppliers. Also, the Mahle (with white end caps) is backward compatible on the V8 with the one with black end caps made by Mann. I am not sure if it is backward compatible with the V6 filter, even though the same black end cap filter element was used for both V6 and V8 in 2009-2010 (they had different part numbers due to washers, etc).

This website shows the filter for the 2011 Genesis and shows the more expensive Mahle filter for the V8, but the Mann filter for the V6. If you change the model year back to 2009, it still shows the more expensive Mahle filter for the V8 (even though I believe that in 2009 the Hyundai OEM filter was the Mann with black end caps for both V6 and V8).
http://www.partswebsite.com/newhyun...tid=10020&subcatid=20099&section=1&type=parts
 
So how much do you save by not buying your filters from Hyundai?

With a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty, I have to believe the OEM filter quality is also about as good as you can get.
 
So how much do you save by not buying your filters from Hyundai?

With a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty, I have to believe the OEM filter quality is also about as good as you can get.
This has been answered before. Many people are looking for better quality than OEM and are willing to pay more. But I am not sure that such a filter exists (although I would like more info about the Mobil 1 filter).

Some "may" be looking to buy the identical filter as the Hyundai OEM (made by Mann or Mahle) that is rebranded as Wix, Fram, etc (also made by Mann or Mahle) at a lower price, but that does not include me.

Personally, I have only used Hyundai OEM oil filters, and still have about 6 left (I do my own oil changes), so not likely to change to an after-market filter any time soon. I purchased them online at a pretty good price, no tax, and when I buy in bulk (along with air and cabin filters) the shipping cost is no big deal.
 
This has been answered before. Many people are looking for better quality than OEM and are willing to pay more. But I am not sure that such a filter exists (although I would like more info about the Mobil 1 filter).

Some "may" be looking to buy the identical filter as the Hyundai OEM (made by Mann or Mahle) that is rebranded as Wix, Fram, etc (also made by Mann or Mahle) at a lower price, but that does not include me.

Personally, I have only used Hyundai OEM oil filters, and still have about 6 left (I do my own oil changes), so not likely to change to an after-market filter any time soon. I purchased them online at a pretty good price, no tax, and when I buy in bulk (along with air and cabin filters) the shipping cost is no big deal.


And how can anyone outside of a sophisticated test lab, tell if one filter is better than another?? The filter company's advertising sure isn't the way.

I have always changed my own oil also, but I'm getting tired of rolling around on the concrete. The dealer will change my oil (little waiting) for less than $20 when I supply the oil. Between the reduced wear and tear on my joints and the assurance about maintaining my warranty, he gets to do the work.

By the way, they'll let me watch them do the work and get an oil sample for lab testing--------maybe not all dealers will do that.
 
Back
Top