2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Spy Photos

[Mark_888]

Hi, Mark. Go check the website below. Hyundai Motor America seemed to start to take commercial scenes for Genesis 15'. The model had a one projection headlight so I think US version won't have two projection HIDs with "L" shape turn signals.

http://blog.naver.com/kohaku3533?Redirect=Log&logNo=140201744659

As I mentioned in another thread, in previous years some KDM options did not make it to the US, so I would not be shocked if some of the KDM headlights do not make to US for 2015. But the current 2013/2014 US Genesis has at least two different headlight systems (depending on trim level), so same may be true in 2015. Since no one can buy a 2015 Genesis in the US for quite a while, we probably just need to wait and see.

 

[Alwaysforward]

When that 2015 is close to being at dealers, that short lived 2014 model will likely be a bargain after the incentives that will be put on it. . It will make for some tough decisions, especially if the 2015 lives up to the teases so far but with bargain basement pricing on the then "old" new 2014.

I am quite sure I won't be able to swing the estimated 50 grand RSPEC price tag so my game plan is to pick up one of the 2014 models and pay down as much as I can in 2 years then trade it for a 2015 after they work out and bugs.

 

[italiabrain]

I am quite sure I won't be able to swing the estimated 50 grand RSPEC price tag so my game plan is to pick up one of the 2014 models and pay down as much as I can in 2 years then trade it for a 2015 after they work out and bugs.

If this is your scenario I would suggest keeping your current car and saving, or "alternative buying". 6yr loan, demo car, etc. on the '15. Unless you'd be happy with keeping the '14 for 4 or 5 years you're just going to lose more ground with another depreciation IMO. On a car that is a non-current-model with an average resale to begin with it may very well have you upside down at 2 yrs.

The '14 will likely be a very good buy, but the resale will drop almost as much as the price after the '15 has been around a while and used '15s start showing up.

I'm still hoping to see confirmation that there is a $50k V8 and that it's not much higher than that.

 

[italiabrain]

Here's a semi-random question: With the details of the AWD system sounding pretty good (torque vectoring, not much weight addition, variable torque distribution settings) I'm seriously thinking about opting for it pending pricing.
Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether Hyundai will include the clutchpacks for the AWD system in the powertrain warranty, the bumper to bumper warranty, or totally exclude them as a "wear part"? This seems like a potential major downside to going with a clutch-based torque distributing system. The way the system looks to me in the pictures it would fail into an inoperable state if the clutches were to wear out, unlike some systems that would fail into a FWD, RWD, or otherwise open-differential (but totally driveable) state so having them covered is important imo.

 

[037]

Here's a semi-random question: With the details of the AWD system sounding pretty good (torque vectoring, not much weight addition, variable torque distribution settings) I'm seriously thinking about opting for it pending pricing.
Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether Hyundai will include the clutchpacks for the AWD system in the powertrain warranty, the bumper to bumper warranty, or totally exclude them as a "wear part"? This seems like a potential major downside to going with a clutch-based torque distributing system. The way the system looks to me in the pictures it would fail into an inoperable state if the clutches were to wear out, unlike some systems that would fail into a FWD, RWD, or otherwise open-differential (but totally driveable) state so having them covered is important imo.

if I had to guess they would fall under the bumper to bumper 5 year warranty, 60k.

The electronics is the only part that falls into 3/36.

I am also hoping that they throw in free maintenance for 3 years.

 

[italiabrain]

if I had to guess they would fall under the bumper to bumper 5 year warranty, 60k.

The electronics is the only part that falls into 3/36.

I am also hoping that they throw in free maintenance for 3 years.

I'm really hoping they don't. Nothing is free, and I'd much rather pay out of pocket at the time of service than pay a markup at purchase that gets financed with interest.

I agree that 5/60 is the likely applicable warranty. Listing as an excluded part would be a no go (for the small minority who read the terms). How awesome would 5/60 on a system with launch control be? Even if it had a counter like Audi that limited the number of launches that could be awesome.

 

[Mark_888]

Here's a semi-random question: With the details of the AWD system sounding pretty good (torque vectoring, not much weight addition, variable torque distribution settings) I'm seriously thinking about opting for it pending pricing.
Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether Hyundai will include the clutchpacks for the AWD system in the powertrain warranty, the bumper to bumper warranty, or totally exclude them as a "wear part"? This seems like a potential major downside to going with a clutch-based torque distributing system. The way the system looks to me in the pictures it would fail into an inoperable state if the clutches were to wear out, unlike some systems that would fail into a FWD, RWD, or otherwise open-differential (but totally driveable) state so having them covered is important imo.

You may want to check the Hyundai Motor America warranty web page. They offer the same warranty in the USA for all Hyundai vehicles, and I assume they have other AWD vehicles (although HTRAC may be a bit different).

Pricing of AWD HTRAC will probably be around $2300 (based on KDM pricing).

Edit: Just found this:
Wear items: 1 year/12,000 miles (e.g., belts, brake pads and linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, bulbs and fuses)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/america-best-warranty.aspx

 

[Alwaysforward]

If this is your scenario I would suggest keeping your current car and saving, or "alternative buying". 6yr loan, demo car, etc. on the '15. Unless you'd be happy with keeping the '14 for 4 or 5 years you're just going to lose more ground with another depreciation IMO. On a car that is a non-current-model with an average resale to begin with it may very well have you upside down at 2 yrs.

The '14 will likely be a very good buy, but the resale will drop almost as much as the price after the '15 has been around a while and used '15s start showing up.

I'm still hoping to see confirmation that there is a $50k V8 and that it's not much higher than that.

All very good points Italianbrain but I have been driving my Honda Civic SI since 2002 and just want a bigger car next year. My plan is to put down 15k to help with equity in a year or two towards the new 2015 model.

Any idea or feel on what the 2014 could be reduced to once the 2015 hits the market? My guess is once the 2015 hits the dealers they would have a hard time selling the 2014's and you might be able to pick one up around 30k new. Your thoughts?

 

[italiabrain]

You may want to check the Hyundai Motor America warranty web page. They offer the same warranty in the USA for all Hyundai vehicles, and I assume they have other AWD vehicles (although HTRAC may be a bit different).

Pricing of AWD HTRAC will probably be around $2300 (based on KDM pricing).

Edit: Just found this:
Wear items: 1 year/12,000 miles (e.g., belts, brake pads and linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, bulbs and fuses)
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/america-best-warranty.aspx

The issue is that the warranty isn't the same for all Hyundais. Specific vehicles are listed as well because the AWD systems have different setups and manufacturers. Transfer cases tend to be covered, clutches tend not to. The rear differential on the genesis is specifically mentioned as covered, so the new AWD system may be as well.

 

[italiabrain]

All very good points Italianbrain but I have been driving my Honda Civic SI since 2002 and just want a bigger car next year. My plan is to put down 15k to help with equity in a year or two towards the new 2015 model.

Any idea or feel on what the 2014 could be reduced to once the 2015 hits the market? My guess is once the 2015 hits the dealers they would have a hard time selling the 2014's and you might be able to pick one up around 30k new. Your thoughts?

I don't think anyone can predict this reliably. The incentives will likely be pretty large, but that all depends on Hyundai's delivery of both the '14 and '15 combined with local stock and local demand.

If an individual dealer has 5 '14s on the lot when they start getting regular (not pre-ordered) stock of '15s sitting on the lot then expect to get them with pretty extreme discounts. I still think $30 would be impressively low, but you may break into the high 30's. To get the best deal you're going to have to be willing to look around for the dealer with the most '14 inventory when the '15s are close or hitting dealers, and you're going to have to be willing to pick from very limited dealer stock.

If Hyundai plays it with a very short run for '14 (very possible) so that there's a month delay between the last '14 and the first '15 deliveries that gives the dealer a month to offload them without panic-mode incentives and deals will likely only be a couple thousand better than today and would float in the low 40's.

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[Mark_888]

The issue is that the warranty isn't the same for all Hyundais. Specific vehicles are listed as well because the AWD systems have different setups and manufacturers. Transfer cases tend to be covered, clutches tend not to. The rear differential on the genesis is specifically mentioned as covered, so the new AWD system may be as well.

I agree that there is some question about whether the HTRAC AWD will be covered entirely (including clutches, if any) under the drivetrain or new car warranty. Since the HTRAC AWD system is apparently a new design for Hyundai, and not used on other Hyundai AWD vehicles, it is hard to say at this point if it actually has any clutches that are likely to wear out. I am pretty sure that any clutch plates or friction plates that go bad on the automatic transmission are covered under the drivetrain warranty.

However, I am not sure what you mean by "the warranty isn't the same for all Hyundai's." Except for certain exceptions on the Equus (which has a slightly better warranty for some items), in looking at the webpage it appears to me that all USA Hyundai's (of same model year) have the same warranty. Obviously, this only applies to Hyundai Motor America, and Hyundai vehicle in other countries have different warranties as determined by the distributor in that country.

 

[Mark_888]

I still think $30 would be impressively low, but you may break into the high 30's.

I think one can get pretty close to $30K right now for a base trim Genesis Sedan, especially if a 2013.

 

[ksoze]

2013 R-Specs are still gettable at $38-39K - no reason the 2014 will not be similar when the restyled 2015 is on the ocean.

 

[italiabrain]

I think one can get pretty close to $30K right now for a base trim Genesis Sedan, especially if a 2013.

He seemed to be referring specifically to RSpec

 

[italiabrain]

2013 R-Specs are still gettable at $38-39K - no reason the 2014 will not be similar when the restyled 2015 is on the ocean.

I didn't realize they had gone this low. Is anyone advertising these prices or incentives that would get there? With it being that low there would have to be significant corporate involvement for the dealers to avoid losing money.

 

[ksoze]

Manufacturer incentives combined with aggressive pricing. Some serious bargains out there.

 

[sandy]

I didn't realize they had gone this low. Is anyone advertising these prices or incentives that would get there? With it being that low there would have to be significant corporate involvement for the dealers to avoid losing money.

http://www.danburyhyundai.com/Vehic...dai-Genesis-5.0L_R_Spec-Danbury-CT/2098660643

 

[italiabrain]

However, I am not sure what you mean by "the warranty isn't the same for all Hyundai's." Except for certain exceptions on the Equus (which has a slightly better warranty for some items), in looking at the webpage it appears to me that all USA Hyundai's (of same model year) have the same warranty.

"
TRANSMISSION/TRANSAXLE
Case and all internal parts, axle shafts (front/rear), constant
velocity joints, front/rear hub bearings, propeller shafts, seals
and gaskets, torque converter and converter housing and
clutch cover and housing, transfer case for Santa Fe, Tucson
and rear differential for Santa Fe, Tucson and Genesis.
"

IMO naming specific parts on specific vehicles means they have a different warranty. I get that they all have the 10/100, 5/60 staggered warranty, but which specific parts fall under which category seems somewhat vehicle dependent. Worth noting is that the Sante Fe's AWD system has the clutch cover and housing on the 10/100, but the clutch friction surface (lining) seems to be absent on both the 10/100 and 5/60 wording. Vehicles with the transfer case (nearest comparable part) are covered.

Another example: The torque converter on the auto Veloster appears to be covered whereas the clutch on the dual clutch (even though not user controlled) appears not to be. Obviously the clutch on a true manual isn't covered because of the potential for user error to be the cause of failure, but since the Veloster dual clutch isn't covered and the Santa Fe AWD clutch isn't covered it seems Hyundai would actually be making an exception to cover the AWD clutches in the '15 Genesis. The clutch-based Magna (same company doing Genesis) used by KIA also appears not to have its clutches covered.

All that being said, the Genesis does compete in a different category. If Korean option pricing carries over, $2300 is fairly expensive as well -- they may be building warranty costs for the system into the option cost. It's all speculation at this point.

 

[italiabrain]

http://www.danburyhyundai.com/Vehic...dai-Genesis-5.0L_R_Spec-Danbury-CT/2098660643

Wow, that's impressively low. Still, they seem to be factoring in rebates a Civic probably wouldn't count for in the small print (competitor or loyalty) in addition to not factoring destination or other mandatory fees. All in all that's probably ~$2800 lower than he would actually pay based on that deal, but still impressive regardless.

 

[homeofstone]

http://www.danburyhyundai.com/Vehic...dai-Genesis-5.0L_R_Spec-Danbury-CT/2098660643

It excludes rebates, incentives, and dealer's fees. Dealer's Fees could be most any amount. Always beware of fine print.