2015/2016 Generation Genesis "Dislikes"

[Midnightsun]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

That too. But even if the Germans are also heavy or heavier however, they have lighter, more powerful, more efficient engines. Then again, you're paying the price for that.

IMHO taking a 4 banger or 6 and forcing air into it does not make for a better engine. It does make for some nice HP and does make it light and the big kicker is it makes it cheaper but lets talk about engine longevity after 80,000 miles or so. BMW's famous six is plagued with issues, just google it.

I'm sure better engines is what Hyundai is working on as we type. At the same time I don't think you can get a complete 5-series replica at 75% of the price. I'm positive a 3rd gen Genny could deliver everything a 5-series deliver BUT at the same price or very close. Something's gotta give.

They can and they have but the badge does not allow it. The only thing that gives is the Germans make more profit. As with Lexus of the past it is slowly earning it's reputation and the price gap will close year after year until maybe one day a Hyundai will be more expensive than a Mercedes.

 

[ckon]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

They can and they have but the badge does not allow it. The only thing that gives is the Germans make more profit. As with Lexus of the past it is slowly earning it's reputation and the price gap will close year after year until maybe one day a Hyundai will be more expensive than a Mercedes.

One thing Genesis has that the others don't is a much more economical service delivery model. Much of the difference in the prices of these cars is hiding there. Marble floors and biscotti are nice and it's nice to be treated like royalty, but it doesn't really produce a better car, only a more expensive one. Granted the ownership experience is pleasant, but the driving experience isn't part of it. It's also nice not to be paying $150 for my oil changes.

 

[jmilr]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

One thing Genesis has that the others don't is a much more economical service delivery model. Much of the difference in the prices of these cars is hiding there. Marble floors and biscotti are nice and it's nice to be treated like royalty, but it doesn't really produce a better car, only a more expensive one. Granted the ownership experience is pleasant, but the driving experience isn't part of it. It's also nice not to be paying $150 for my oil changes.

My local Hyundai dealer offers all the amenities that My Infiniti dealer does such as free manicures, beverages and bagels while you wait for service. And... Oil changes are free as are car washes, and my out the door price on an AWD Ultimate was $700 under invoice! I couldn't ask for a better overall experience.

 

[ckon]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

My local Hyundai dealer offers all the amenities that My Infiniti dealer does such as free manicures, beverages and bagels while you wait for service. And... Oil changes are free as are car washes, and my out the door price on an AWD Ultimate was $700 under invoice! I couldn't ask for a better overall experience.

That's pretty impressive! Hopefully he doesn't run into an economic wall and can continue those services.

 

[jmilr]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

That's pretty impressive! Hopefully he doesn't run into an economic wall and can continue those services.

Some of these services appear to be co-ops with local merchants, so good for business all around. They're the number two volume dealer on Long Island - so far, so good! [emoji4]

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

One thing Genesis has that the others don't is a much more economical service delivery model. Much of the difference in the prices of these cars is hiding there. Marble floors and biscotti are nice and it's nice to be treated like royalty, but it doesn't really produce a better car, only a more expensive one. Granted the ownership experience is pleasant, but the driving experience isn't part of it. It's also nice not to be paying $150 for my oil changes.

You know why the luxury brands have really nice service / waiting areas is that you'll be spending a lot more time in them. Marble floors and Biscotti's are great. You paid for them when you bought your overly expensive car. Give me a nice clean comfortable area, quick and accurate service and get the hell out. Its not a 5 star hotel. I dont want to spend more time there than I need to.

 

[jmilr]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

LOL! No one does, but that time spent there is just a little nicer!

 

[ferrethouse]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Can't compare a $50k car with a $25k.

1. The loaded accord is 33.6k compared with 38k for the V6 Genesis. Let's keep the numbers real. Besides, you seem to want to compare a 38k Genesis with a 55.3k 535i. If you want to pay 17k extra for a V6 with less horsepower in order to get 3 MPG better fuel economy go for it. You will earn that 17k back at the pump sometime between never and never.

2. You can when the subject is fuel economy. Honda is widely viewed as having very fuel efficient engines. And I showed you that the V6 in the Genesis engine is actually more fuel efficient if you account for the weight.

 

[harwax]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Some of these services appear to be co-ops with local merchants, so good for business all around. They're the number two volume dealer on Long Island - so far, so good! [emoji4]

May I ask, who is the dealer ?

 

[jmilr]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

You may 😉.... Advantage Hyundai, but I bought at Millennium in Hempstead.

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[metrathon]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

1. The loaded accord is 33.6k compared with 38k for the V6 Genesis. Let's keep the numbers real. Besides, you seem to want to compare a 38k Genesis with a 55.3k 535i. If you want to pay 17k extra for a V6 with less horsepower in order to get 3 MPG better fuel economy go for it. You will earn that 17k back at the pump sometime between never and never.

2. You can when the subject is fuel economy. Honda is widely viewed as having very fuel efficient engines. And I showed you that the V6 in the Genesis engine is actually more fuel efficient if you account for the weight.

1. I think the best comparison of the 3.8 would be not with the 535i, but between a full loaded 3.8 and a middle pack 528i. The performance numbers are the same, better mileage on the 528i, more options on the 3.8. I think it's fair.
Ppl need to stop looking at the number of cylinders. That's 20th century. We now have to look at performance & gas mileage balance, that's how you judge a good engine. What good is a V8 when it has poorer performance and fuel economy than a turbo or supercharged V/L6?

2. You cannot. Then, why don't you compare the 3.8 with a 1.2 from Yaris? I mean, if we're talking only fuel economy, why not?
The only valid comparison a soon-to-spend-$50k-on-a-car person does, is look at the same class and same price range competition. That person will never EVER consider the fuel economy of an Accord to determine how good the 3.8 is. Where did you see that, what tester/journalist on this planet had done this?

 

[ferrethouse]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

1. I think the best comparison of the 3.8 would be not with the 535i, but between a full loaded 3.8 and a middle pack 528i. The performance numbers are the same, better mileage on the 528i, more options on the 3.8. I think it's fair.

Or how about the Q50 which is the same price and same displacement engine...

19/27 vs 16/25

The Q50 weighs 500 pounds less which explains the difference. The bottom line is that saying the the engine is "dated" and inefficient isn't accurate. It is a direct injection engine that competes well with any other naturally aspirated engine of similar displacement. Sure, forced injection will get you marginally better MPG but it comes at the price of durability and having to listen to a hissing noise all the time.

2. You cannot. Then, why don't you compare the 3.8 with a 1.2 from Yaris? I mean, if we're talking only fuel economy, why not?

Hyperbole isn't appreciated or beneficial. A 33.5k loaded Accord and a base Genesis V6 at 38k are not very far apart and would be on many people's lists.

 

[ksoze]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

The bottom line is that saying the the engine is "dated" and inefficient isn't accurate. It is a direct injection engine that competes well with any other naturally aspirated engine of similar displacement. Sure, forced injection will get you marginally better MPG but it comes at the price of durability and having to listen to a hissing noise all the time.

Better get use to the "hiss". NA engines are not dead, but they are at retirement age. In this class, the competitors have all mostly moved to blown engines and are able to produce lighter engines that require less fuel. The debate is over and I would suspect Hyundai will have follow suit shortly.

 

[metrathon]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Or how about the Q50 which is the same price and same displacement engine...

19/27 vs 16/25

The Q50 weighs 500 pounds less which explains the difference. The bottom line is that saying the the engine is "dated" and inefficient isn't accurate. It is a direct injection engine that competes well with any other naturally aspirated engine of similar displacement. Sure, forced injection will get you marginally better MPG but it comes at the price of durability and having to listen to a hissing noise all the time.



Hyperbole isn't appreciated or beneficial. A 33.5k loaded Accord and a base Genesis V6 at 38k are not very far apart and would be on many people's lists.

I think you and me we're looking at the same thing from different perspective.

I'm comparing Genny with more expensive brands, the brands Hyundai wants the Genny to be compared with.

You are comparing it with cheaper brands, which is fine with me. However, the reality is that your view is not shared by Hyundai who wants their car to be playing in the same sandbox with the big boys and not with Accord.
And to my and Hyundai's point, I'm asking again, where did you see Genny compared to Accord? Nowhere. You'll see comparisons with Lexus, BMW, Audi and Mercedes. Even Acura and Infinity are not considered tier I competitors.

 

[ferrethouse]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

And to my and Hyundai's point, I'm asking again, where did you see Genny compared to Accord? Nowhere. You'll see comparisons with Lexus, BMW, Audi and Mercedes. Even Acura and Infinity are not considered tier I competitors.

The Genesis is so good that it is being compared to BMW, Audi, and Mercedes. But people with roughly 35k will be looking at cars in that range. People will be comparing the loaded Accord with the base Genesis even if the reviewers aren't.

 

[ferrethouse]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Better get use to the "hiss". NA engines are not dead, but they are at retirement age. In this class, the competitors have all mostly moved to blown engines and are able to produce lighter engines that require less fuel. The debate is over and I would suspect Hyundai will have follow suit shortly.

In another 5 years I'll be getting used to the sound of silence. Batteries are the future not turbos.

 

[ksoze]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

In another 5 years I'll be getting used to the sound of silence. Batteries are the future not turbos.

You and me both - I see a Tesla S in my future.

 

[DoctorJ]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

tried to delete sorry

 

[DoctorJ]

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Dude, I am pretty computer and AV savvy, but I dont even know what a DVD-A IS. Is that really an important format?

 

[DoctorJ]

Navigation problems

I have had several Maxima's with pretty good Nav systems. I have the Genny 3.8 AWD Ultimate but I have had serious problems with the Nav. It has sent me on stupid back roads a number of times for NO reason. This is in areas I know well and other areas I don't. I have it set for faster time, and nothing about toll roads is relevant. It there something wrong with their algorithms? Or is something I can't find set wrong? This is really the only thing I don't like about this car but it really is annoying as hell!