SPYSHOTS: The next generation of the Genesis G80 is here

[YEH]

Genesis sells a fair # of the EQ900L in Korea equipped w/ the Tau.

Maybe the 3.3T would be sufficient, but not for the armored version.

The CT6 will be getting the new Cadillac 4.2T V8 for its top trim (now will be the CT6-V instead of the CT6 V-Sport) which will be a competitor for the next gen G80.

 

[MyCorvette]

Genesis sells a fair # of the EQ900L in Korea equipped w/ the Tau.

Maybe the 3.3T would be sufficient, but not for the armored version.

The CT6 will be getting the new Cadillac 4.2T V8 for its top trim (now will be the CT6-V instead of the CT6 V-Sport) which will be a competitor for the next gen G80.

You can check out patent filed by Hyundai Corp, #US9273595B2. This will be the design scheme if Hyundai choose to build the V8T. Basically it is the hot-V architecture; But interestingly, the turbochargers are only propelled by half of the cylinder exhaust manifolds.

Obviously this is not an optimal design (because you should use the full 8 exhaust manifolds, and even cross-feed between two banks, to reduce turbo lag), only explanation is they want to implement cylinder deactivation feature.

Please note this patent has been done more than 6 years ago, I am not sure whether Hyundai will green light it into production since it is not a tradition in the industry to wait such a long time between patent filing and final production. Hyundai also filed multiple V8 diesel engine patents, obviously they are not pursuing it any more.

 

[YEH]

On top of that, Hyundai was messing around w/ supercharging the Tau, but if Genesis continues w/ a V8, it will be w/ a new, smaller displacement FI V8 (just like the competition).

 

[MyCorvette]

On top of that, Hyundai was messing around w/ supercharging the Tau, but if Genesis continues w/ a V8, it will be w/ a new, smaller displacement FI V8 (just like the competition).

I do not think they will go with the supercharging. The above patent, Hyundai currently still spend money to keep it active. If they want supercharging, make no sense to keep spending money on the turbo V8 patent.

Within Hyundai, they think "supercharging" = electric turbocharger, see US9322362B2

 

[YEH]

^ Which I why I stated was messing around.

In another thread, had posted photos of the prototype of a supercharged Tau, but Hyundai abandoned the project a # of years ago.

As for a V8 going forward, they just need to start over w/ a new smaller displacement V8 (if they're concerned w/ costs, I'm sure they can find a partner; after all, they found 2 w/ GEMA).

Would also like to see them switch to an inline-6 down the road.

 

[EdP]

Would also like to see them switch to an inline-6 down the road.

That would be nice. Would work well with the RWD platform but not easily shared with FWD. At least I'm not aware of any transverse mounted I6 aside from a Volvo a while back.

 

[ThoughtfulOne]

The jury is still out on if they are going to offer a successor to the Tau engine.

It looks like they got rid of pano roof?

Alternatively only some trims have the pano room.

Look at the present demographics of the Genesis market and most are not overly interested in a 500 hp engine. They are giving customers what they want. I've had my share of big block Chevys and GTOs but I now longer drag race.

This forum has a fairly high percentage of performance oriented participants but most owners have plenty of power. I don't expect the same performance from a Genesis as a Mustang, though the G70 buyer may sway that a bit. The G70, I don't think, was designed to be a Mustang killer.

Technology can overcome some of limitations but that will also cost a bundle of money to develop. Genesis is also a value car and it will lose that edge too if not careful.

The issue here is that if they offered a high performance version to compete with the likes of say, AMG, there would be a demographic that is interested.

Doubt we'll see an all-aluminum frame.

But one made out of ultra-tensile steel w/ some aluminum components is very likely, along w/ aluminum used for the hood (and maybe the trunk and certain other strategic areas).

The reason why Cadillac went w/ a composite frame (w/ aluminum used in certain areas) is that the weight loss w/ an aluminum frame is mitigated by having to use more sound deadening materials (which adds back weight).

And then there is the cost of aluminum (which had soared recently).

For these reasons, Audi recently indicated that they may abandon going w/ an all-aluminum chassis for their future vehicles.

I agree. Aluminum tends to conduct noise very well. While that isn't as bad for a sports car, it is for a Genesis G80/90. The only other option is to use carbon fiber in some areas.

 

[EdP]

The jury is still out on if they are going to offer a successor to the Tau engine.

Issue here is that if they offered a high performance version to compete with the likes of say, AMG, there would be a demographic that is interested.

Sure, there will be some interest, but how many? 100? 1000? 100,000? Comes down to ROI. If enough interest they will build, but if not, no big engine. I have no idea how many would be interested, maybe Genesis marketing does.

 

[YEH]

That would be nice. Would work well with the RWD platform but not easily shared with FWD. At least I'm not aware of any transverse mounted I6 aside from a Volvo a while back.

Going forward, the only FWD H/K models fitted w/ a 6 cyl powerplant should be the upcoming 8 passenger Palisade and Telluride crossovers (and maybe the Sedona) which should be wide enough to fit an I6 transversely.

W/ the 2.5T (possibly being boosted by some sort of electrification), don't see the Grandeur/Azera or Cadenza and Sorento carrying forward w/ a 6 cyl (but may still be able to shoehorn an I6 into the engine bay - as they are all still relatively large vehicles).

 

[Beefer]

Not sure if posted yet...here is the 2019 Brochure from the Worldwide site (posted Oct 1)...
https://www.genesis.com/content/dam...-brochure/genesis-catalogue-g80-en-181001.pdf

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[MyCorvette]

Not sure if posted yet...here is the 2019 Brochure from the Worldwide site (posted Oct 1)...
https://www.genesis.com/content/dam...-brochure/genesis-catalogue-g80-en-181001.pdf

The 5.0 V8 disappeared in the 2019 brochure.

 

[larrymg1]

The 2019 G80's are here.
Genesis of Cherry Hill | Vehicles for sale in Marlton, NJ 08053

 

[drumdudeguy]

Not sure if posted yet...here is the 2019 Brochure from the Worldwide site (posted Oct 1)...
https://www.genesis.com/content/dam...-brochure/genesis-catalogue-g80-en-181001.pdf

I don't think this brochure was intended for the US market. I would be surprised if these are the engine options (as well as other options) available in the US.

 

[EdP]

I don't think this brochure was intended for the US market. I would be surprised if these are the engine options (as well as other options) available in the US.

Did you notice this feature?
Parking assist-perpendicular reverse (PA-PDR) and Parking assist-parallel (PA-PRL) _ Ultrasonic sensors mounted on the vehicle gauge a parking space and automatically steer the vehicle into the space, allowing the driver to park conveniently by shifting gears and applying the brakes according to vocal and visual instructions from the cluster. The system supports perpendicular and parallel parking, as well as departures.

 

[Spanky61]

No V8 what a mistake!

 

[EdP]

No V8 what a mistake!

It may be for the US market, not so much the rest of the world. Many of us grew up with the V8, the bigger the better. Problem is, the EPA wants us to take the bus and ride mini bikes. Unless there are other offsets, big engines will go away. Until they have a hybrid or EV, Genesis will have to cut some big engines.

 

[drumdudeguy]

I don't believe this is for the US market! Clue #1 is units of measure etc. are not in line with the US. Clue #2, there's no way they are getting rid of the V8 in the US. Clue #3 is the diesel. I don't believe they are introducing that here.

 

[SuperKing]

Judging by the web link and the speed limit signs in the photos, the brochure is for the Korean market. We don't have speed signs that are inside a red circle. The 2015 Genesis in Korea and other parts of the world came with all sorts of fancy stuff that we didn't get like the self parking feature. Even in North America the models were different. I have a 2015 AWD V8 in Canada, America did not get that in 2015. Canada had fewer options as well... all the cars were AWD, we couldn't buy a RWD and still can't today. The 5.0 only came in one trim, if you want the V8 then you only had the Ultimate to choose from.

 

[SuperKing]

It may be for the US market, not so much the rest of the world. Many of us grew up with the V8, the bigger the better. Problem is, the EPA wants us to take the bus and ride mini bikes. Unless there are other offsets, big engines will go away. Until they have a hybrid or EV, Genesis will have to cut some big engines.

Not really, Genesis is a sub brand of Hyundai and the total fleet MPG is counted against Hyundai and not Genesis on its own. Hyundai sells way more small i4 cars than V6 and V8 powered vehicles. This is how a brand like Ferrari keeps selling only V8 and V12 powered cars. The parent company Fiat sells a whole lot more fuel efficient cars.

With the number of cars that Hyundai sells, it should allow for them to sell 2 large V8 sedans.

 

[EdP]

Not really, Genesis is a sub brand of Hyundai and the total fleet MPG is counted against Hyundai and not Genesis on its own. Hyundai sells way more small i4 cars than V6 and V8 powered vehicles. This is how a brand like Ferrari keeps selling only V8 and V12 powered cars. The parent company Fiat sells a whole lot more fuel efficient cars.

With the number of cars that Hyundai sells, it should allow for them to sell 2 large V8 sedans.

When you buy a $300,000 Ferrari you don't mind the gas guzzler tax. If the 2025 CAFE remains at 54.5 you've seen the last of the V8. A lot of Accents will have to sell to support the Genesis V8.

You can also pay a penalty
Corporate average fuel economy - Wikipedia
"Several experts stated that this is (penalties) not enough of a monetary incentive for manufacturers to comply with CAFE."[100] For example, in 25 years, from 1983 to 2008, Mercedes-Benz paid penalties 21 times and BMW paid penalties 20 times.