2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Spy Photos

[ksoze]

Knowing that full LED headlights are pretty much expected to be at least an option in this class, I can't see Hyundai making such a huge mistake in not offering them.

How much would you pay? It is a $1,900 option on the BMW 5 series. At some point, the options (HUD, etc.) will add costs that could put the price into those cars territory. I'm not sure the brand is at the point to compete without the huge price advantage.

 

[italiabrain]

How much would you pay? It is a $1,900 option on the BMW 5 series. At some point, the options (HUD, etc.) will add costs that could put the price into those cars territory. I'm not sure the brand is at the point to compete without the huge price advantage.

But why is it a $1900 option? The individual LED's are quite inexpensive. I would bet they are significantly less expensive from the manufacturer's standpoint than the ballast and bulbs associated with HIDs. LED run happily at normal accessory (or lower) voltages.

I have a handheld flashlight with a Cree XM-L U2 bulb. I'm not sure what the bulk cost is of the actual LED itself, but driver and all the thing was under $100 full retail. That single LED is easily brighter at its mid beam as one of my HID's, though the single one doesn't have the spill for a headlight. The LED bulb itself is probably in the $20 range for what the flashlight company actually pays Cree (total guess). At $20 per bulb, cheap drivers, etc they shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars. By the time you subtract the HID bulbs and ballast they SHOULD be a very cheap option.

LED mainbeams have gone as far south as the Toyota Corolla. While they're certainly more basic than the ones in the Genesis spy shot, I think that alone suggests they aren't a major cost factor. At least not anymore.

 

[BillFisher]

Was blessed with a ride in the 2015 Genesis today in full camouflage. Happy to report that it did not disappoint in any aspect. Can't tell you how or who was involved. Can only say that the interior is superior to current Equus and I would take it over the Audi A6 (we own a 2012 A5) would take it over the E Class or 5 Series too. The only thing they have over Hyundai is name. From the puddle lamps that light the name GENESIS on the curb as you approach it, to the natural finished "real" wood grain on the dash and doors and all the touch points in the interior, this car shines. I thought I wanted this in my garage as soon as it comes out. I was wrong. I want it now. I drove in a Mercedes CLS just yesterday and I have to say the new Genesis is right on its doorstep and for way less money. I have been a Hyundai fan for the last 5 years. Now I'm their biggest cheerleader. A special thanks to the Hyundai team who met me at Cars and Coffee and made this a reality for a real car guy from Detroit.

 

[037]

Was blessed with a ride in the 2015 Genesis today in full camouflage. Happy to report that it did not disappoint in any aspect. Can't tell you how or who was involved. Can only say that the interior is superior to current Equus and I would take it over the Audi A6 (we own a 2012 A5) would take it over the E Class or 5 Series too. The only thing they have over Hyundai is name. From the puddle lamps that light the name GENESIS on the curb as you approach it, to the natural finished "real" wood grain on the dash and doors and all the touch points in the interior, this car shines. I thought I wanted this in my garage as soon as it comes out. I was wrong. I want it now. I drove in a Mercedes CLS just yesterday and I have to say the new Genesis is right on its doorstep and for way less money. I have been a Hyundai fan for the last 5 years. Now I'm their biggest cheerleader. A special thanks to the Hyundai team who met me at Cars and Coffee and made this a reality for a real car guy from Detroit.

I am curious in your thoughts on power and transmission. Does the tranny still have a huge delay on WOT down shift?

Also, were you in a V6 or V8? quad pipes or dual? Heads up display? Monitors in back rests?

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[larry'sown]

Are we even sure there's going to be an Rspec? It seems to me that name was a bad decision. It seemed to overstate the track-orientation of the car, and all the auto mags seemed to start their reviews saying that this is no AMG/M/S competitor. Hyundai has to target the German's to use this as a sort of halo-car to increase brand recognition, but the rspec name was never taken seriously on the Genesis sedan, anditthat's not good for marketing IMO. Personally I think they should keep the entire KDM naming system and just call it the Genesis G500 in the US. The other thing is that the suspension mechanics were one of the primary differences between the 5.0 and 5.0R while they both existed, and now with the "sport mode" suspension a big part of the difference will be gone.

If they choose to do an Rspec again it needs to be a bit more focused. IMO it should be rwd-only, revised front lower fascia, they should have distinct intake and exhaust that actually open up flow and produce some noise and even if it's only 5hp they should advertise the hp difference. There should also be a "track" drive mode that allows traction and stability to be totally killed without the old fuse pulling, in addition to making the rear diff lockup more aggressive. Throw in a minimum of 275 series rear tires on 19's or 20's. Programming a mild launch control into the transmission wouldn't hurt either.

As far as the lights go, I don't know what to expect. At this point we're not far away from finding out, but if they do give us the LED's that will be a pretty major departure from their previous generation business practices. While it is true that the KDM didn't previously get the Rspec the BH 380 was significantly better equipped than the US version in terms of goodies.

I don't see why we wouldn't get an Rspec. What I hated most about all those reviews is that not one of those magazines ever said the same thing about Chrysler's SRT trim. No SRT(which is clearly a more ambitious sounding name than Rspec) vehicle in existence can compete with an M or AMG vehicle, yet there's no mention of that whatsoever. IMO it's pure bias against Hyundai. The name might have oversrated the Genesis' true capabilities, but It was a more performance oriented Genesis, so I think it fits. Besides, Hyundai will be using the "N" badge for all of their high performance vehicles now.

The Genesis is supposed to have a trick electronic differential and 275 series tires on the lower level Genesis trims, so it's possible we could get even more performance goodies if/when thw Rspec anxpd subsequent N(just looking ahead here) trims are launched. Call me crazy, but I don't think Hyundai spent all that money on that testing facility at the Nurburgring for nothing.

No offense, but I really don't know why people keep bringing up all the things that weren't available on the previous Genesis. None of that has any relevance now. Hyundai wants to compete with BMW, M-B and Audi. They know they have to provide those same luxuries to properly compete.

 

[larry'sown]

How much would you pay? It is a $1,900 option on the BMW 5 series. At some point, the options (HUD, etc.) will add costs that could put the price into those cars territory. I'm not sure the brand is at the point to compete without the huge price advantage.

What BMW charges for LED lights is irrelevant. Do you not see the irony in stating the cost for what BMW charges for LEDs as an argument for why Hyundai won't include them? BMW over-charges their customers for everything. I mean, isn't that why we're fans of Hyundai? Bang for buck?

Of course options cost money, but I don't see the logic in saying adding those options would force the Genesis price close to that of its competitors. The CTS(the cheapest car in this class other than Genesis) tops out at $70K...for the regular naturally aspirated V6 trim. For the E-Class and 5 Series, you-re looking at atleast $80K+. The Equus tops out at $68K with just about every amenity in existence. Do you really think the Genesis' price would get anywhere close to the price of an Equus? Even with all the techno goodies that the KDM version is getting, the price will still be quite a bit less than the competition.

 

[larry'sown]

But why is it a $1900 option? The individual LED's are quite inexpensive. I would bet they are significantly less expensive from the manufacturer's standpoint than the ballast and bulbs associated with HIDs. LED run happily at normal accessory (or lower) voltages.

I have a handheld flashlight with a Cree XM-L U2 bulb. I'm not sure what the bulk cost is of the actual LED itself, but driver and all the thing was under $100 full retail. That single LED is easily brighter at its mid beam as one of my HID's, though the single one doesn't have the spill for a headlight. The LED bulb itself is probably in the $20 range for what the flashlight company actually pays Cree (total guess). At $20 per bulb, cheap drivers, etc they shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars. By the time you subtract the HID bulbs and ballast they SHOULD be a very cheap option.

LED mainbeams have gone as far south as the Toyota Corolla. While they're certainly more basic than the ones in the Genesis spy shot, I think that alone suggests they aren't a major cost factor. At least not anymore.

They are that expensive because BMW is the one charging for them. Trust me, if they really were that expensive the Corolla would be the last car to get them as Toyota is more concerned with margins than delivering a good product.

 

[larry'sown]

Was blessed with a ride in the 2015 Genesis today in full camouflage. Happy to report that it did not disappoint in any aspect. Can't tell you how or who was involved. Can only say that the interior is superior to current Equus and I would take it over the Audi A6 (we own a 2012 A5) would take it over the E Class or 5 Series too. The only thing they have over Hyundai is name. From the puddle lamps that light the name GENESIS on the curb as you approach it, to the natural finished "real" wood grain on the dash and doors and all the touch points in the interior, this car shines. I thought I wanted this in my garage as soon as it comes out. I was wrong. I want it now. I drove in a Mercedes CLS just yesterday and I have to say the new Genesis is right on its doorstep and for way less money. I have been a Hyundai fan for the last 5 years. Now I'm their biggest cheerleader. A special thanks to the Hyundai team who met me at Cars and Coffee and made this a reality for a real car guy from Detroit.

Oh come on. You gotta give us more than that!

 

[BillFisher]

For those who asked...another couple of points. The car is down on Horsepower but up on Torque and I can tell you the car enters the freeway with incredible ease. The exhaust notes have been refined and have a more mellifluous note, not as harsh as the 2013 I drive. It's only under spirited acceleration that it enters the cabin. The cabin is whisper quiet even in triple digit territory and the car hunkers down down on the road with no steering corrections required at speed. It tracked very nicely. The difference is the power steering unit mounted directly on the rack rather than the steering column. The car was equipped with paddle shifters and the shifts were not snap your neck sharp, yet they were still efficient and quick. I was told there have been some chassis improvements made over the car I was allowed to ride in and I was pleasantly surprised how attuned the Engineer was to everything I was feeling through the seat without me even mentioning it to him. Then he told me what caused those anomalies and what the improvements were that alleviates that problem in production guise. Aesthetically you can Google the 2015 Hyundai Genesis and likely see a better view of the sheet metal since it was in full camo. But since I've seen all the pics I could extrapolate most everything under the tarp. I can tell you for certain though that full LED headlights did not make the cut for 2015. The car had 18" wheels with Dunlops and the wheels were the same as those in all the spy shots and look nice, though I would probably change them out or opt for 19"ers on my car. I have to say, the 3.8 really moves the car as fast as the average driver needs to go and Acceleration at 50 MPH seemed effortless with the transmission immediately grabbing the next gear down rather than pulling through the torque to achieve its goal and I liked the way it's been mapped. It was one of my biggest complaints in my 2010 with the six speed and though my 2013 is far improved the 2015 takes it to the next level. As I said in my first post, unless you're picking on issues that most of us will never consider this car is the real deal. The seating is improved with better leather and more firmness, but not as tabletop rigid as a Mercedes. They could use a touch more bolstering for the enthusiast who drives the car closer to its limits. For most of us they'll do just fine, Me included. You'll feel it is more buttoned down though from the moment the self cinching doors close solidly and the accelerator is engaged. All I can tell you is I've sat in the competition. I'd rather be in the cabin of the Genesis than any of the competition and I loved the 9.2" nav screen and the higher sitting center console. The sheet metal is still somewhat a mystery to me though. I felt my way around the grille i ran my hands around the tai lights under the camo and until it's all exposed to us in Detroit and we can see it as a whole how you perceive the beady style is a personal matter. From the pictures I've seen, I like it. Again, I want to say thanks to Hyundai and get your wallets prepared. You are definitely going to want this car if you've liked what they've done up until now. Someone asked about the Heads Up Display...I could not see it from the passenger seat. The engineer did tell me how much he enjoyed it though and I know it's there. I just didn't see it.

 

[037]

Down on horsepower, I have only seen Acura do that...how can you tell? Did they have a v8 to sample?

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[BillFisher]

I rode in a 3.8 with rear wheel drive, tranny mapping was far better than previous iterations. Paddle shifters were a nice touch. Had driver selectable ride for sport of comfort and more steering wheel controls than before. Thankfully the passenger can still set the nav while the car is in motion, something I cannot do and despise in my wife's Audi A5. The center stack controls have more premium feeling knobs and while there are a few changes I immediately knew where everything was and how to control it. I hope they don't change where they've taken their telematics. I like how everything works. About the only thing I would welcome is a way to see what was on the radio and be able to change it without losing my map. But that is a pretty small complaint. The other minor disappointment was the lack of fold down seating to accommodate long packages in the trunk although the trusty ski pass through is still there.

 

[ksoze]

Down on horsepower, I have only seen Acura do that...how can you tell? Did they have a v8 to sample?

That was documented when the press embargo ended a few weeks ago:

Under the Hood
The global Genesis employs four engines — three V-6s from 3.0 to 3.8 liters, plus Hyundai's 5.0-liter Tau V-8. We'll likely see the V-8 and largest (3.8-liter) V-6, which makes 311 horsepower and 293 pounds-feet of torque. That's down 22 horsepower but up 2 pounds-feet versus today's 3.8-liter Genesis.

Hyundai revised airflow, increased cylinder compression and optimized fuel injection for the V-8, which makes 419 horsepower and 383 pounds-feet of torque. That's down 10 hp but up 7 pounds-feet versus today's Genesis 5.0 R-Spec.

 

[smoove7410]

I can tell you for certain though that full LED headlights did not make the cut for 2015.

Thanks for the info. Did they tell you this, or did the unit you drove just not have them? I am assuming the unit you drove just had the single projector headlamps?

 

[BillFisher]

The car I was in did not have them and though I didn't get a 100% denial I was under the impression they will not be on the 2015.

 

[BillFisher]

I was in the 3.8 rear wheel drive. When a company as big as Hyundai goes out of their way to take a regular person like me on a ride along, you don't ask for more, you gratefully say thank you. I am not a journalist, just an owner who has bought two Genesis for myself , three for my mom and helped one friend select an Elantra and another a Santa Fe Sport. They were kind enough to pick me up at my home for a two hour ride that covered just about every type of driving situation. Someone also asked about the exhaust...dual exhaust similar to the current model. They also asked if it had rear seat DVD. It did not. It did have rear window shades though. I also saw a blog or article somewhere that claimed the wood was faux wood. I'm happy to report its a very beautiful wood similar to what you'll find in an Audi A7 or A8 and it's "REAL"

 

[BillFisher]

I couldn't tell. He told me.

 

[037]

That was documented when the press embargo ended a few weeks ago:

Under the Hood
The global Genesis employs four engines — three V-6s from 3.0 to 3.8 liters, plus Hyundai's 5.0-liter Tau V-8. We'll likely see the V-8 and largest (3.8-liter) V-6, which makes 311 horsepower and 293 pounds-feet of torque. That's down 22 horsepower but up 2 pounds-feet versus today's 3.8-liter Genesis.

Hyundai revised airflow, increased cylinder compression and optimized fuel injection for the V-8, which makes 419 horsepower and 383 pounds-feet of torque. That's down 10 hp but up 7 pounds-feet versus today's Genesis 5.0 R-Spec.

I must have missed that and nobody really said anything. So drop 20hp and add awd and weight, yea...that should make for a good performance bump due to extra 2lb-ft of torque.

I bet the fuel economy goes up too. Oh well, I wanted the v8 anyway

 

[italiabrain]

I wonder if power is really even going down. The changes listed seem like they would be minor increases in power. They may have decided to advertise HP like the Germans do to further move themselves into the segment. Comparison dynos would be interesting regardless. Either way I wouldn't mind slightly lower peaks for more total area under the curve if that's what we're getting.

 

[Seattle Genesis]

http://blog.naver.com/aojun3728/90186874727 ; High quality photos. There is an one photo shot of US version in the street.

http://haeinsammae.blog.me/120204039625 ; High quality photos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HRnTmoE1E&feature=youtu.be A video shows how genesis 15' runs on snow.

; There was a group test drive in South Korea for car bloggers(I guess)



Can't wait to see in person!

There seems to be some hefty wide sized tires on these Genesis' rolling around Korea. Hope they make it over here like that.

 

[Hghwy52]

I came across this side view comparison of the 2014 and 2015 Genesis on the internet. The 2015 looks more elegant but I personally like the larger side windows on the 2014.