Quick notes on V8 vs V6 vs V6 AWD

[AustinTX]

Why would you say its "irrelevant"? I don't think its irrelevant when merging onto crowded highways or speeding up to an empty spot to change lanes.

It's irrelevant because if we followed the "better acceleration" = "safer merging / lane changes" we should all by driving Porsche's or Ferrari's.

The difference in acceleration time might lead people to make more risky driving decisions, it has no bearing on a normal drivers safety when merging or changing lanes though.

I have driven over 1,500,000 miles in Europe and North America (including 10+ years on Germany's Autobahns) and have never been in a driving situation where the extra second of 0-60 acceleration would have made a difference.

I understand the appeal of having a more powerful car, and the need of some to rationalize their decision to get a V8 over a V6. "Safety" isn't one of the arguments that's going to fly.

 

[greekgeek]

^Welp, a sample size of n=1 never needed it so clearly no on else might. Ever.

 

[jimb100]

It's irrelevant because if we followed the "better acceleration" = "safer merging / lane changes" we should all by driving Porsche's or Ferrari's.

The difference in acceleration time might lead people to make more risky driving decisions, it has no bearing on a normal drivers safety when merging or changing lanes though.

I have driven over 1,500,000 miles in Europe and North America (including 10+ years on Germany's Autobahns) and have never been in a driving situation where the extra second of 0-60 acceleration would have made a difference.

I understand the appeal of having a more powerful car, and the need of some to rationalize their decision to get a V8 over a V6. "Safety" isn't one of the arguments that's going to fly.

Now are you going to ban all V8 engines?

Oh, wait. That's just your opinion.

 

[jimb100]

You know, it occurs to me that with 250,000,000 cars on the road in the US and 85% of those being 4 & 6 cylinder, people are still managing to make it home for dinner in one piece without needing 8 cylinders.

Maybe the problem has more to do with you. I mean think about it, there's some pretty slow witted people out there driving 4 bangers who seem to be able to merge into traffic without incident, yet apparently it's a challenge for you.

Perhaps you should consider riding a bike instead.

If you like driving the slower car, that's ok. No need to justify your choice by trying to put down people who prefer the v8.

Who knew slow drivers were such bullies?

 

[Nikgen]

If you like driving the slower car, that's ok.

 

[DFWGenny]

 

[Focusin]

Why would you say its "irrelevant"? I don't think its irrelevant when merging onto crowded highways or speeding up to an empty spot to change lanes.

Still dodging the question.

Why do you need a V8 to do something as simple as merging into traffic.

 

[amartz]

+1

 

[jimb100]

Still dodging the question.

Why do you need a V8 to do something as simple as merging into traffic.

Clearly, you need to live in an area with 55MPH speed limits on 6 lane highways with wall to wall strip malls on either side having access to the highway and no traffic lights for miles to create breaks in the traffic to understand.

If you think this is "simple" then you've never experienced it and I congratulate you being able to live a simple life.

 

[Nikgen]

Clearly, you need to live in an area with 55MPH speed limits on 6 lane highways with wall to wall strip malls on either side having access to the highway and no traffic lights for miles to create breaks in the traffic to understand.

If you think this is "simple" then you've never experienced it and I congratulate you being able to live a simple life.

Hmmm.... I live in the most densely populated state in the US (NJ) and frequently drive into NYC. Route 22 in Union is the king of strip malls and a challenging traffic road, esp on a Saturday. I've never had a problem merging or changing lanes with my V6 so your attempted point is just not true.

As many V6 owners have acknowledged, the V8 is clearly more powerful and we get the visceral experience that V8 buyers want - but to suggest it's needed for safe merging and lane changing is ridiculous. If you need the V8 to insert yourself into traffic, your actions are unsafe to begin with. They are also not appreciated by the driver that just had his safe following distance filled by you.

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[Huddleston]

Seriously??? I've owned both, both are great engines. The 3.8 is no slouch and the 5.0 behaves exactly as I would expect it to compared to the 3.8. As I said in another thread, both are solid performers. Not to mention the displacement of the engine is only one factor in how a car behaves with respect to acceleration and agility. Horsepower, weight, transmission tuning all play important roles. One is not simply better than the other. I chose the 5.0 this time because I regretted not buying it the first time around for performance reasons.

 

[AustinTX]

Now are you going to ban all V8 engines?

Oh, wait. That's just your opinion.

I never suggested or implied banning V8 engines.

I reject your rationalization that the V8 is needed for "safety" - that's pure bovine fecal matter.

You can have a V8, V10 or even a V12 - I don't care. You may want to have them because you like to feel faster, or better, or you like the sound, or the extra torque - you may even like that is uses more gas per mile. All valid reasons to own one, none of them rationalizations though.

Safety has absolutely nothing to do with choosing a V8 over a V6.

That's my last word on this matter, since you are clearly trying to be confrontational and refuse to listen to rational arguments. Millions of people who "live in an area with 55MPH speed limits on 6 lane highways with wall to wall strip malls on either side having access to the highway and no traffic lights for miles to create breaks in the traffic" are able to drive their Prii (Priuses), their 4 cylinder econoboxes, and their minivans and wanna-be off road SUVs on these highways with probably mainly 4 cylinder engines just fine.

I have no intention to feed the troll anymore.

 

[Focusin]

AustinTX,


I find it baffling that jimb100 writes you this:

Now are you going to ban all V8 engines?

while in a similar thread, simultaneously writes this:

Reading comprehension issues or just trying to set up a straw man?

 

[Aquineas]

AustinTX,


I find it baffling that jimb100 writes you this:




while in a similar thread, simultaneously writes this:

He's fond of strawmans and generally likes to stir the pot for amusement (sort of a milder version of DRS ), like he tried to do when he argued back in July that Hyundai wouldn't start their own luxury brand.

 

[Nikgen]

He's fond of strawmans and generally likes to stir the pot for amusement (sort of a milder version of DRS ), like he tried to do when he argued back in July that Hyundai wouldn't start their own luxury brand.

and we know how insightful that position was...

 

[jimb100]

He's fond of strawmans and generally likes to stir the pot for amusement (sort of a milder version of DRS ), like he tried to do when he argued back in July that Hyundai wouldn't start their own luxury brand.

Really? Is that what I said or are you just "spinning" to suit your strawman purpose. Here's what I actually said:

"Brand - Hyundai is a "family sedan" brand, like Chevy, Toyota, Ford, Volkswagen, etc. Having a $50K car at the top of the brand isn't a problem for them and won't be for Hyundai. The 'separate brand' luxury car market is pretty small and crowded, although profitable in the US. Thinking Hyundai can create a brand that will displace the "big 3" in Europe didn't work for Lexus and won't work for Hyundai."

Latest reports state the new Genesis brand won't be sold in Europe.

As I stated, a separate luxury brand can be profitable in the US but not Europe and Hyundai has wisely decided to stay out of Europe with the Genesis brand and focus on the US and Asian markets. But, of course, it remains to be seen how successful Hyundai will actually be with their new Genesis brand. Acura, Cadillac, Buick and Lincoln are building better cars.

You really should try to get the facts right before you go on the attack.

 

[jimb100]

and we know how insightful that position was...

Really? Quite insightful now that Hyundai has announced they will not sell the Genesis brand in Europe.

Now don't you feel foolish?

 

[jimb100]

Hmmm.... I live in the most densely populated state in the US (NJ) and frequently drive into NYC. Route 22 in Union is the king of strip malls and a challenging traffic road, esp on a Saturday. I've never had a problem merging or changing lanes with my V6 so your attempted point is just not true.

As many V6 owners have acknowledged, the V8 is clearly more powerful and we get the visceral experience that V8 buyers want - but to suggest it's needed for safe merging and lane changing is ridiculous. If you need the V8 to insert yourself into traffic, your actions are unsafe to begin with. They are also not appreciated by the driver that just had his safe following distance filled by you.

Since you don't own a V8 you don't really know if it would be easier or not.

And I lived in NJ for several years and having driven many 6 cyl cars and 8 cyl cars on Rt 22 I can say that it is easier to drive on Rt 22 with an 8 compared to a 6. The 8 cyl gives you an extra margin of performance that makes it easier to merge and change lanes.

If you don't agree, you need to try an 8 cyl for a few weeks. Even you will notice the difference.

 

[Aquineas]

Really? Is that what I said or are you just "spinning" to suit your strawman purpose. Here's what I actually said:

I'll ask one simple question. Go back to the original thread. Who is the one who introduced the "In Europe" stipulation that you proceeded to shoot down (and that you've planted your flag on)? Go ahead, post your answer once you find it. I already know how you're going to respond... (Ignore the point, divert to another issue that doesn't clearly document your tactics, and initiate personal attack.)

 

[Focusin]

Aquineas,


Jimbo seems to have a tough time keeping his contradictions straight as demonstrated when he chastised someone for making generalities here:

Your statements all seem to be sweeping generalities with little to back them up.

while showing he is no stranger to making outrageous generalities such as this:

Sorry, I didn't see where you live - "The Great White North".

I agree, when a car passes every 5 minutes or so acceleration isn't all that important when merging or changing lanes.