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I don't know how to answer this completely. But since I've already had two hours in the seat of the 2015 Genesis I can definitely tell you it does not have active bolsters and you may still find the bolsters inadequate for you. But the seats are "FAR" superior to my 2013. They are more firm for long rides but have what seems like a thin layer of softness over it so yu don't feel like your riding on a brick like you might in a Mercedes. My opinion, I love the new seats. I don't drive my car hard so I don't need anything holding me in place during spirited driving. But if you're on a six hour highway drive you're going to find the cabin of this car a much more pleasant place to be. Everything about this car is richer on the inside. From the firmer seats covered in a better quality of leather, to the faux alcantara headliner, the real wood, the quieter interior, the bigger nav screen, better touch points, this is a player. As I've said to others on the forum, my neighbor owns an Audi A7 that I drive regularly, my wife has an Audi A5 Cabriolet, neither car is close to the new Hyundai. As far as the drive I can't say until I am lucky enough to pilot the vehicle myself. But it sure feels and looks right from the passenger side. I'm a car guy from Detroit and used to say " friends don't let friends drive Hyundai". But now I'm a believer.
Bill - Thanks for your input regarding the seats. I just posted here a site which outlines the changes in the seats. You said there is no active power seat bolsters, and i believe you, but the article on this site says that it specially does have power side bolsters. Here is the article, and i can also send you a Hyundai YouTube that shows how the power seat bolsters and other aspects of the seats are different.

Here is the article site: http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=10583&page=63

Is there anyway that the information you have from sitting in the 2015 may not represent all the seat options in the 2015 genesis (could the Rspec have the power bolsters, etc etc)? I appreciate your input and look forward to your review of this article, and the seats ... that is all i care about at this point. Regards, and again thanks for your input. Dan
 
I don't know how to answer this completely. But since I've already had two hours in the seat of the 2015 Genesis I can definitely tell you it does not have active bolsters and you may still find the bolsters inadequate for you. But the seats are "FAR" superior to my 2013. They are more firm for long rides but have what seems like a thin layer of softness over it so yu don't feel like your riding on a brick like you might in a Mercedes. My opinion, I love the new seats. I don't drive my car hard so I don't need anything holding me in place during spirited driving. But if you're on a six hour highway drive you're going to find the cabin of this car a much more pleasant place to be. Everything about this car is richer on the inside. From the firmer seats covered in a better quality of leather, to the faux alcantara headliner, the real wood, the quieter interior, the bigger nav screen, better touch points, this is a player. As I've said to others on the forum, my neighbor owns an Audi A7 that I drive regularly, my wife has an Audi A5 Cabriolet, neither car is close to the new Hyundai. As far as the drive I can't say until I am lucky enough to pilot the vehicle myself. But it sure feels and looks right from the passenger side. I'm a car guy from Detroit and used to say " friends don't let friends drive Hyundai". But now I'm a believer.
Bill: this is what was included in the article regarding the seats. Do you think this is for the Korean Market, or as an option that was not in the 2015 you sat in.

"To ensure the cabin feels luxurious, the original Genesis model was intensely scrutinized and improved upon for its use of materials, with extensive analysis undertaken into the relationship of different materials, their texture and color coordination.

Driver and passenger posture are optimized using increased seat pad density, improved seat support technology, larger adjustable bolsters and seatback cushioning. Seat materials and stitching quality have been improved with the introduction of double, rather than single, stitching.

The redesigned front seats incorporate new functionality, with a new air-pressure pump and controller valve (installed for the first time in a Hyundai), providing seatback bolster adjustment through air cells located in each seat. With an operating time of 7.5 seconds, the all-new Genesis benefits from a faster activation process and greater range of adjustment than its premium European rivals."

Thanks in advance for your reply. Regards, Dan.
 
Bill: this is what was included in the article regarding the seats. Do you think this is for the Korean Market, or as an option that was not in the 2015 you sat in.

"To ensure the cabin feels luxurious, the original Genesis model was intensely scrutinized and improved upon for its use of materials, with extensive analysis undertaken into the relationship of different materials, their texture and color coordination.

Driver and passenger posture are optimized using increased seat pad density, improved seat support technology, larger adjustable bolsters and seatback cushioning. Seat materials and stitching quality have been improved with the introduction of double, rather than single, stitching.

The redesigned front seats incorporate new functionality, with a new air-pressure pump and controller valve (installed for the first time in a Hyundai), providing seatback bolster adjustment through air cells located in each seat. With an operating time of 7.5 seconds, the all-new Genesis benefits from a faster activation process and greater range of adjustment than its premium European rivals."

Thanks in advance for your reply. Regards, Dan.

Can you re-link? I only see a link to this forum page. Thanks
 
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Can you re-link? I only see a link to this forum page. Thanks
Italiabrain - The link I forgot to post, but posted above mentioned the power bolsters as does the Korean website. But after reading the article closely, it may be that the power bolsters will be introduced on the Korean 2015 Genesis Premium model, thus it may not be on the 2015 Genesis that goes on sale here in the US. Link to article again:

http://www.rides-mag.com/news/2013/12/new-2015-hyundai-genesis-sedan/

Regards, Dan
 
Italiabrain - The link I forgot to post, but posted above mentioned the power bolsters as does the Korean website. But after reading the article closely, it may be that the power bolsters will be introduced on the Korean 2015 Genesis Premium model, thus it may not be on the 2015 Genesis that goes on sale here in the US. Link to article again:

http://www.rides-mag.com/news/2013/12/new-2015-hyundai-genesis-sedan/

Regards, Dan
I don't know about power bolsters on the 2015's, but the Genesis sedan Korean versions have always had more options that the US versions, but they also cost a lot more. Someone on this forum who is a member of Hyundai Think Tank was recently invited to see a preview of the US version of the the 2015 Genesis in California, and they did not see any power bolsters.
 
Which control would they be?

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Any ideas as to the discounting on the new 2015 when it arrives? Not as familiar with Hyundai pricing trends off of MSRP - the discounts now on 2013's are very deep, but any history on newer vehicles and the estimated discount off of list that may be the norm?
 
Any ideas as to the discounting on the new 2015 when it arrives? Not as familiar with Hyundai pricing trends off of MSRP - the discounts now on 2013's are very deep, but any history on newer vehicles and the estimated discount off of list that may be the norm?
2013 is not even the current model year. 2014's are available, although not all dealers have them due to overstock of 2013's. Hyundai is going to advertise the Genesis during the Super Bowl, I assume in order to clear out 2013/2014 inventory.

Car prices are based on supply and demand. It is hard to predict what the demand for 2015's will be in the short term (once they are available).
 
Interesting info on Hyundai's press website about the new Genny infotainment system: to be shown Jan 6th the night before CES starts.

http://www.hyundainews.com/us/en-us...in-2015-genesis-at-pepcoms-digital-experience

The 2015 Genesis features:

Next-generation Blue Link® with destination search engine powered by Google®
Genesis Intelligent Assistant app
aha™,SoundHound® and Pandora® integration with smartphone
Hyundai Assurance Connected Care powered by Blue Link
All-new infotainment system with:
Advanced Voice Recognition (AVR)
Completely redesigned touch interface and navigation
Swipe gestures for quick access to core features
HD Radio™ technology


Most of the details of the new system have been put forward before in various posts, but I'm not sure the Jan 6 reveal was previously posted.
 
I don't know about power bolsters on the 2015's, but the Genesis sedan Korean versions have always had more options that the US versions, but they also cost a lot more. Someone on this forum who is a member of Hyundai Think Tank was recently invited to see a preview of the US version of the the 2015 Genesis in California, and they did not see any power bolsters.
Mark - thanks for your post. I agree that the power bolsters will be on the Korean models before the US models. I am still hoping that the new seat is better supported with bigger bolsters, but not sure until someone sees one at the car shows. Regards, Dan
 
Which control would they be?

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Italiabrain - The new dark button above the forward - backward control button is for the seat bottom front extension I assume. The only other change in controls for the seat 'appears' to be the 'toggle' at the bottom of the round lumbar control button. The latest Genesis simply has the round lumbar control button, but no toggle button.

I've looked at this seat picture a number of times from various magazine, and hyundai sites online, and the seat bottom is for sure lower profile, and denser foam, which is good. The average foam for typical American cars is 90-130mm. The European cars (i.e. MBW) has about 30mm. The new seat picture you have looks like the european type seat which is good in my opinion since it allows my knees to get under the start button on the right of the steering column.

Since the telescoping wheel only moves 1 inch outward, it is hard to reach the steering wheel when the seat back is reclined. I have to recline the seat back due to my spinal fusions. If Hyundai had not essentially deactivated the steering wheel scope to 1 inch by a software change, the steering wheel would extend out approx 4 inches as the Azeri & Equus do. The genesis software change doesnt allow the telescoping wheel to function as it was designed to do.

Before i give up and trade my 5000 mile new Genesis Rspec, I may try to talk to the sales manager since talking to numerous other sales folks and service rep has not helped at all. I want to stay with Hyundai for my own car, and also for my wifes car, but I will be forced to leave Hyundai if i cannot get any help from the local dealer here. Its a great dealership, but not for issues such as the telescoping wheel issue.

These issues may sound minor, but if i want to drive over 25 miles, It would be better off to get a rental car with a decent seat and/or telescoping wheel. I'm totally burned out on the seat telescoping issue in the 2013 genesis. The seat is sorta OK, but the telescoping wheel is a software change and doesnt function as designed.

The Telescoping wheel is designed for folks with different issues and different driving positions while trying to get mechanically comfortable in a car. There is no need to have the telescoping wheel if it only travels 1 inch. Regards, and thanks for your post. Dan
 
Italiabrain - The new dark button above the forward - backward control button is for the seat bottom front extension I assume. The only other change in controls for the seat 'appears' to be the 'toggle' at the bottom of the round lumbar control button. The latest Genesis simply has the round lumbar control button, but no toggle button.

I've looked at this seat picture a number of times from various magazine, and hyundai sites online, and the seat bottom is for sure lower profile, and denser foam, which is good. The average foam for typical American cars is 90-130mm. The European cars (i.e. MBW) has about 30mm. The new seat picture you have looks like the european type seat which is good in my opinion since it allows my knees to get under the start button on the right of the steering column.

Since the telescoping wheel only moves 1 inch outward, it is hard to reach the steering wheel when the seat back is reclined. I have to recline the seat back due to my spinal fusions. If Hyundai had not essentially deactivated the steering wheel scope to 1 inch by a software change, the steering wheel would extend out approx 4 inches as the Azeri & Equus do. The genesis software change doesnt allow the telescoping wheel to function as it was designed to do.

Before i give up and trade my 5000 mile new Genesis Rspec, I may try to talk to the sales manager since talking to numerous other sales folks and service rep has not helped at all. I want to stay with Hyundai for my own car, and also for my wifes car, but I will be forced to leave Hyundai if i cannot get any help from the local dealer here. Its a great dealership, but not for issues such as the telescoping wheel issue.

These issues may sound minor, but if i want to drive over 25 miles, It would be better off to get a rental car with a decent seat and/or telescoping wheel. I'm totally burned out on the seat telescoping issue in the 2013 genesis. The seat is sorta OK, but the telescoping wheel is a software change and doesnt function as designed.

The Telescoping wheel is designed for folks with different issues and different driving positions while trying to get mechanically comfortable in a car. There is no need to have the telescoping wheel if it only travels 1 inch. Regards, and thanks for your post. Dan

I agree with your button assessment. I'm curious what the lever/toggle/knob whatever on the round section does. I would expect two separate levers for side and thigh bolsters, each with compress and release (total of four functions), but maybe they combined them into a single control. Presumably that control does something .

Off topic, but on your steering wheel issue it seems like a real shame to have to deal with trading at all if that's your only real concern on a car so new. Have you discussed with a dealer or HMA having the software flashed back to the old adjustment range and just giving up the warranty on that part?
 
I agree with your button assessment. I'm curious what the lever/toggle/knob whatever on the round section does. I would expect two separate levers for side and thigh bolsters, each with compress and release (total of four functions), but maybe they combined them into a single control. Presumably that control does something .

Off topic, but on your steering wheel issue it seems like a real shame to have to deal with trading at all if that's your only real concern on a car so new. Have you discussed with a dealer or HMA having the software flashed back to the old adjustment range and just giving up the warranty on that part?
Italia -- I agree with your comments regarding telescoping wheel ordeal. I have talked to them a number of time, and i tried to get the General Sales Manager to call me late this after noon so we could discuss what you mentioned. See if they can change the software, or even get someone to adjust the steering column scope and over ride the software ... whatever works. But no return call etc.

My health is driving me to get this thing correct or at least where i can manage the car until new Genesis comes out. So, will see if they call me on Monday. I seriously have to pace myself with trying to get things done .... have been needing to do chemo, but plan was for me to get car ordeal taken care of before that. That was back in June. Will see how things go Monday. I do not want to get rid of the Genesis, but I cannot drive it very far. May just do chemo and then come back and work the issue, but by that time the car will lose even more value. It is a very nice machine ... just need at least steering scope changed. OK, Regards, and thanks for the input. Dan.
 
I agree with your button assessment. I'm curious what the lever/toggle/knob whatever on the round section does. I would expect two separate levers for side and thigh bolsters, each with compress and release (total of four functions), but maybe they combined them into a single control. Presumably that control does something .

Off topic, but on your steering wheel issue it seems like a real shame to have to deal with trading at all if that's your only real concern on a car so new. Have you discussed with a dealer or HMA having the software flashed back to the old adjustment range and just giving up the warranty on that part?
Italia - I've been in contact with the Sale Manager today. She agreed that the telescoping range of 1 inch for the Genesis doesn't sound like what it is designed to be according to common sense and according to how the Equus and Azeri's range is significantly longer. So she is going to see if there is anything they can do, such as you mentioned with the software, etc. And she is going to look into the TSB that others mentioned on this forum which reduced the telescoping range significantly on the 2012-2013 Genesis sedans.

I'll report back with anything information that she may come up with. If there is no resolution, I will have to eat some money and trade a fine car or just not drive -- meaning trade. The genesis is a really nice car, just not as good as it could be regarding the seat design if you have a bad spine. But the 2015 looks like it will be significantly better regarding seat design. Regards, Dan.
 
Today I was part of a group that was given a walkaround of the new 2015 Genesis at Hyundai World Headquarters. I have previously been given a two hour drive in a fully camouflaged car and here are my impressions and the answers to a few questions from Forum Members .

First Off I want to say the car is beautiful. Not as dramatic as an Audi A7 but certainly a looker. It is more conservative in its styling but the lines are very classic and will not grow old quickly. It looks good from every angle and the sheetmetal looks better in person than in pictures. I can't really find fault with anything on the exterior. It was shown in a color I think was called Parisian Gray and it is a spectacular choice and will be the color of mine when I order it. The interior was Ivory with Premium leather and it had a faux Alcantara headliner. The real wood dash was Black Ash and was a matte finish on both front and rear door panels as well as the dash. It is a heavily grained wood and is reminiscent of what Audi uses in the A6. Gorgeous. Both front seats now have complete adjustability and both have ventilated and heated seats where the previous only heated the passenger side. There is real aluminum on the dash, not painted plastic and I think the interior is superior to any of the luxury competitors. The A6, BMW 5 Series and Mercedes E class all could learn from what Hyundai has done. I am not exaggerating nor playing favorite due to being a Hyundai fan. This is truly an objective appraisal. The 9.2 inch Nav Screen is 720P and gorgeous to look at. The navigation is also projected in the Heads Up Display which is bright and easy to see in the windshield. You can even adjust where it is displayed.

Someone asked about adjustable bolsters. I said the car was not equipped with them. I was WRONG!. YES! It has power adjustable bolsters. The drivers side has an adjustable bolster that is operated by a sliding switch under the round lumbar controls.

FULL LED Headlamps. NO. The car does not have them it has HID Projector lamps similar to the current car with a really nice LED surround and Jewel like running light/turn signals along the lower edge of the front end. Look for them in the future though. They will likely use that as a mid-cycle refresh.

Someone wanted me to address the lack of chrome along the trunklid. There is no chrome strip. The designers thought the look was cleaner and frankly I don't disagree. They like the nice clean, classic look and they feel it will stand the test of time better as it is.

The car will come with standard 18" wheels with 19" as an option and on the 8 cylinder vehicle. The corporate thinking is that no matter what car you drive, they don't want their customers to look any different in a base unit car than in the Premium Package vehicles. The luxury feel of the car will be available at all price points. Specifically the lead guy said when he sees a BMW on the street he can look at the 17" wheels and say to himself, "That guy has a base unit vehicle." That won't happen to a Genesis driver. By the way, the 19" wheels were seen on two other cars while there and still under wraps and they are beautiful and very three dimensional looking.

You're gonna love the Heads Up Display. Well done Hyundai. Well done.

The self opening trunk is pretty cool. You just walk up to the car and stand near the trunk for a few seconds and it will open by itself. It works very well and it is driver selectable. If you don't want it to work you can turn it off. Also there are hooks built in to hang grocery bags on. These same hooks could be used to tie down the trunk if you're carrying something.

No fold down rear seats. This would be the #1 thing I would have wanted to see changed along with water bottle holders in the door pocket. This most assuredly isn't a deal breaker for me but I was pretty disappointed when I learned of this. I had already been made aware of it when I was given a ridealong a couple weeks ago and I've already adjusted to the disappointment.

The dashboard. Oh the dashboard. Everything about the instrument panel is upgraded and pure luxury. The beautiful (REAL) wood, the (REAL) aluminum, all of the switchgear, knobs, anything you touch is better than the previous model (I own a 2013) Can you say Equus? Love that 9.2" screen.

The leather seating. We were exposed to the Premium Leather only. It's as nice as anything at any level of Mercedes, Audi or BMW and better in most cases. I like it better than what my Audi has and better than my neighbors A7 too. Terrific! Besides that the leather the seats were designed to support the average frame and remain comfortable at the same time. I actually liked the bolstering better than I remembered from my ridealong. The first layer of foam is directly adhered to the underside of the leather to eliminate some of the sagging we've seen in our earlier versions of Genesis after some miles are on the seats. They are firmer with a still soft initial feel because of the double layer of varied firmness foam.

The doors close with a different authority than previous. There is a deep thud and the car can be ordered with self cinching doors. On the inside I know there are a few people not happy that the door pockets are no longer hinged but that's life. I think the doors are more attractive and look and feel richer in every respect. One of the car magazines said that when you step inside you immediately sense that you've stepped up a level or two from the earlier Genesis. Let me say right now, it's definitely two levels. As far as I'm concerned my nieces brand new Mercedes CLS is not superior to this cars interior in any way. NONE!

It seems like there is more room on the inside of this car even though it's only slightly longer and the same width. The longer wheelbase is part of the reason for that. Since I've also ridden in the car I have a little more insight into how it's going to feel and I can say pretty much everything about this car is better. As I've stated before, the rack mounted power steering unit has elevated the game on this car. For those of you not familiar, most cars power steering units are located on the column and take away that feeling of precision you feel when you're carving a corner. It costs Hyundai more bucks to include this but imparts the same feel you might experience in an Audi and that intuitive feel is what they were shooting for. The ride is a bit more compliant with a little more dive than an Audi but I think they've nailed the compromise extremely well. Since I am a three time Audi owner and still own one I think I can speak on that. At high speed this car hunkers down on the road and gobbles it up with no corrections required by the driver to keep it tracking straight. Just look where you want the car to go and it follows your eyes. The car has automatic braking that will bring your car to a full stop if you are asleep at the wheel not paying attention. It also has lane keep assist that can vibrate in your hands to alert you or even steer the car back into its lane. Driver selectable, of course The driving mode selector is located next to the gear shift lever and paddles are standard on the car in case you want to get more involved. The backup camera is supplemented with detection for cross traffic coming that you may not see when backing out of a parking spot and will even brake for you if you don't stop on your own.

I recently attended the Orange County Auto Show and sat in and played with just about everything that resides in this size class of car and this one is the winner for me. I have to admit I loved the CTS but Cadillac's insistence on shoving that CUE system in our face without any knobs was beyond stupid. Even then, nothing in this class offers the rear seat room of the Genesis and that's a major selling point for me. I don't want unhappy passngers on a road trip. The Genesis is like the story of the Three Bears and Genesis is all baby Bear, everything is "Just Right." Now my Number One complaint: I can't have one yet. Stay tuned.

Finally I want to say one final thank you to the guys at Hyundai. Former President John Krafcik was kind enough to allow me the chance to do a ridealong and membership in the Hyundai Thinktank afforded me the opportunity to see the naked version of this car ahead of the general public. It was greatly appreciated. For those of you who are Hyundai fans, I encourage you to join the Hyundai Thinktank. It's a tool they use to gauge the ideas and thoughts of drivers so they can improve your ownership experience and you get to share your mind with them. The moderator, Jason does a helluva job and it will enrich your ownership experience. Thank you to Eric, Jason and Ricky Lau.
 
I was given a walkaround of the 2015 Genesis today. I have written a complete review and its on the last page of this thread. But in response to your post, If you look at the lumbar support adjuster (the round button) you can see a little toggle on the bottom side of it. That little toggle switch controls the power side bolster. I addressed this specifically for you.
Italiabrain - The new dark button above the forward - backward control button is for the seat bottom front extension I assume. The only other change in controls for the seat 'appears' to be the 'toggle' at the bottom of the round lumbar control button. The latest Genesis simply has the round lumbar control button, but no toggle button.

I've looked at this seat picture a number of times from various magazine, and hyundai sites online, and the seat bottom is for sure lower profile, and denser foam, which is good. The average foam for typical American cars is 90-130mm. The European cars (i.e. MBW) has about 30mm. The new seat picture you have looks like the european type seat which is good in my opinion since it allows my knees to get under the start button on the right of the steering column.

Since the telescoping wheel only moves 1 inch outward, it is hard to reach the steering wheel when the seat back is reclined. I have to recline the seat back due to my spinal fusions. If Hyundai had not essentially deactivated the steering wheel scope to 1 inch by a software change, the steering wheel would extend out approx 4 inches as the Azeri & Equus do. The genesis software change doesnt allow the telescoping wheel to function as it was designed to do.

Before i give up and trade my 5000 mile new Genesis Rspec, I may try to talk to the sales manager since talking to numerous other sales folks and service rep has not helped at all. I want to stay with Hyundai for my own car, and also for my wifes car, but I will be forced to leave Hyundai if i cannot get any help from the local dealer here. Its a great dealership, but not for issues such as the telescoping wheel issue.

These issues may sound minor, but if i want to drive over 25 miles, It would be better off to get a rental car with a decent seat and/or telescoping wheel. I'm totally burned out on the seat telescoping issue in the 2013 genesis. The seat is sorta OK, but the telescoping wheel is a software change and doesnt function as designed.

The Telescoping wheel is designed for folks with different issues and different driving positions while trying to get mechanically comfortable in a car. There is no need to have the telescoping wheel if it only travels 1 inch. Regards, and thanks for your post. Dan
 
Thanks for the comprehensive review! I am most definitely opting for the '15 model. Was the grey a dark grey and with metalic flake? The color combination you saw would likely be my first choice. Can not wait to see it on show room floor.
 
Today I was part of a group that was given a walkaround of the new 2015 Genesis at Hyundai World Headquarters. I have previously been given a two hour drive in a fully camouflaged car and here are my impressions and the answers to a few questions from Forum Members .

Bill - great info, thanks. Any word on an R-spec model at launch and any specifics?
 
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