Turning ESC off ...for real...With Video Proof!!

[Driv200]

I confirm TimC. When I was doing my Dyno vids "Rspec on Dyno Today", we pulled the fuse under the hood, but not clear which one we pulled. All dash functions went out and my Dyno #'s did not change so we recorded runs with it back in. I want to try a new Dyno using the disable method discussed here. Will keep you posted.

I have no problem posting vids of drifting and burnouts. When I find the safe space, I will do it with iPhone vid. Question is, do we have "limited slip" or positrac?

Guess vid will tell.

 

[scottdk]

I confirm TimC. When I was doing my Dyno vids "Rspec on Dyno Today", we pulled the fuse under the hood, but not clear which one we pulled. All dash functions went out and my Dyno #'s did not change so we recorded runs with it back in. I want to try a new Dyno using the disable method discussed here. Will keep you posted.

I have no problem posting vids of drifting and burnouts. When I find the safe space, I will do it with iPhone vid. Question is, do we have "limited slip" or positrac?

Guess vid will tell.

2009 4.6 has LSD, I assume R Spec would also include this. I don't think the V6 has LSD though.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

I confirm TimC. When I was doing my Dyno vids "Rspec on Dyno Today", we pulled the fuse under the hood, but not clear which one we pulled. All dash functions went out and my Dyno #'s did not change so we recorded runs with it back in. I want to try a new Dyno using the disable method discussed here. Will keep you posted.

I have no problem posting vids of drifting and burnouts. When I find the safe space, I will do it with iPhone vid. Question is, do we have "limited slip" or positrac?

Guess vid will tell.

Now I'm really curious about what your dyno results will be! I've been scratching my head since your first " . . . Dyno today" post.

 

[tompass]

Isn't positraction and LSD one in the same?

 

[TimC]

Isn't positraction and LSD one in the same?

What, you never watched "My Cousin Vinny"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwEAR2BmD1E&feature=player_detailpage#t=89s


Just kidding. They are the same thing.
Just like Mona Lisa Vito said in the video above, Posi-Trac(tion) was G.M.'s Trade Name for Limited Slip.

 

[scottdk]

What, you never watched "My Cousin Vinny"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwEAR2BmD1E&feature=player_detailpage#t=89s


Just kidding. They are the same thing.
Just like Mona Lisa Vito said in the video above, Posi-Trac(tion) was G.M.'s Trade Name for Limited Slip.

Ha! I thought they were a little bit different, so here's what I found -

Actually they are not the same. Posi Trac for example in a 1971 Mustang Mach 1 has gears in the rear end that luck up both output shafts, where as a limited slip they wil not spin the same. Posi is better for straight shots and mudding so both tires will spin the same no matter what, which makes turning difficult due to the fact that the rear tires will fight because of turning radius. Limited slip allows the outside tire to spin faster than the inside tire to ravel the further distance around the corner, making it better on the street. The Mustang turning a corner will break traction and slide around no matter the corner because it has a true posi trac differential. this way to tell the difference is simple and reliable.

Basically the limited slip diff put power to both wheels, but allows for that power to vary from side to side most commonly used in turning. It eliminates one of the tires from chirping or hopping in a turn.

 

[TimC]

Not trying to be difficult here, but I disagree.
I'm not sure where that reference came from, but whomever wrote it is mistaking a Posi-Trac for a Spooler/Locker.
Also, he is referencing a Ford which was a Trac-Lok, not a Posi-Trac.


Way back in the 1970's I worked as a Machinist for a company that specialized in Racing modifications for (mostly) drag racing.
One of the biggest selling products we made was a kit to convert a Posi-Trac to a Spooler/Locker, very useful on a Drag strip.
The kit did the same as welding up the spiders, but was something people that didn't know how to weld proper could use.
Back then, every racer had an ARC welder and thought they knew how to use it but for some unknown (to them) reason, they kept blowing up rear ends..go figure.

We use to have a booth at the local drag strip (Fremont Raceway) and we would show car owners the benefits of our Posi-Trac Converter Kits most every weekend.
Since the powers at be have closed most drags strips, read the Wiki links or any of the off-road forums as there's a lot of talk still going on there about the subject.

(The difference between a Spooler and a Locker in the product we sold was you could manually unlock a locker and drive the car on the street whereas a Spooler was a permanent 'Race Only' mod.)

http://dodgeforum.com/forum/1st-gen-dakota/178531-home-made-posi-trac.html

http://www.countrybynet.com/forums/vehicles-etc/24832-can-rear-end-converted-posi-track.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential



From the Wiki: Factory names

In the 1950s and 1960s many manufacturers began to apply brand names to their LSD units.
Packard pioneered the LSD under the brand name "Twin Traction" in 1956, becoming one of the first manufacturers.

Other factory names for LSDs include:
Alfa Romeo: Q2
American Motors: Twin-Grip
Buick: Positive Traction
Chevrolet/GMC trucks (after 1973): Gov-Lock and Positraction
Chrysler: Sure Grip
Dana Corporation:Trak-Lok or Powr-Lok
Ferrari: E-Diff
Fiat: Viscodrive
Ford: Equa-Lock and Traction-Lok
International: Trak-Lok or Powr-Lok
Jeep: Trac-Lok (clutch-type mechanical), Tru-Lok (gear-type mechanical), and Vari-Lok (gerotor pump)
Oldsmobile: Anti-Spin
Pontiac: Safe-T-Track
Porsche: PSD (electro-hydraulic mechanical)
Saab: Saab XWD eLSD
Studebaker-Packard Corporation: Twin Traction
TVR: Hydratrak

 

[tompass]

Always get an education on this site.

 

[Preem2011]

Im probably retarted but I just use the ESC switch. Push it and it turns it off. Isnt that the whole purpose of the switch? Is the 2012 much different from the 2011?

 

[nadel]

j-georges..i know the feeling, the esc action is really frustrating. when flooring the gas pedal.its as if all four brakes were on! (for a sec or two)

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[Gambler]

Im probably retarted but I just use the ESC switch. Push it and it turns it off. Isnt that the whole purpose of the switch? Is the 2012 much different from the 2011?

The switch lightens the stability control slightly, but does not turn it off on the sedan.

 

[CamarilloBrillo]

I tried this today. The car definitely had more power but I couldn't get the tires to squeal. Maybe I was too timid.

I had 3 lights on - ESC, EPB (I think) and Auto Hold. My son said the ABS light came on momentarily.

 

[nadel]

J-GEORGES....this same reaction i have been trying to explain with esc in off position..see "esc problems" link.

 

[nadel]

I hate to bump a two month old thread, but the information in this reply is wrong and most likely will make for some to waste a lot of time pulling the wrong fuse.

The ESC fuse is still in the engine bay on the 2012 R-Spec.
The one on the side of the dashboard is the ECS, a completely different system and disabling it is of no use here.

According the the R-Spec Owners Manual, the correct 10AMP fuse is marked VDC/ESC in the Engine Bay (not to be confused with the two 30AMP fuses marked VDC/ESC1 and VDC/ESC2)

TIM-C.. which fuse box do i find the applicable vdc/esc 10 amp fuse in ?

 

[nadel]

Im probably retarted but I just use the ESC switch. Push it and it turns it off. Isnt that the whole purpose of the switch? Is the 2012 much different from the 2011?

well not quite. here is what i did today...started car raised hood and removed
the 10 amp vdc/esc labeled fuse (from large fuse junction box to the left near firewall) and pressed the esc button inside car. replaced the fuse properly. inside car noticed that the "esc" light was lit and so was "epb" AND the "auto hold" lights. test drive was wonderful!!! no hesitating, and no tc action at all as before (i pulled fuse etc,). it is a screamer!
now, if i just press esc button only, if i am at a rolling (15mh) i see no problem with tc kicking in and stopping wheel spin. but at lower speeds or from a stop (when i floor it) , the tc takes over throwing me against the safety belt. , however, all that aside, in sport mode, the tc action does not seem to be a factor, but am checking that out.

 

[TimC]

TIM-C.. which fuse box do i find the applicable vdc/esc 10 amp fuse in ?

I see you already found it, but here are a couple of photos for anyone else wondering..

 

[scottdk]

I see you already found it, but here are a couple of photos for anyone else wondering..

Nice work Tim! I thought I recall PINGGOLF (Matt) stating that the dealer found an issue stored in his computer because of this mod/removal of fuse, but I can not find the thread he posted a while back about it. From what I remember the computer stored a code due to the missing fuse and the dealer was in there (computer) for some reason and discovered the code. I think it was considered a no-no for warranty standpoint, but as I mentioned I can't find the correct thread. I'd love to remove the fuse, but only if I don't get punched in the face by the dealer

 

[TimC]

Nice work Tim! I thought I recall PINGGOLF (Matt) stating that the dealer found an issue stored in his computer because of this mod/removal of fuse, but I can not find the thread he posted a while back about it. From what I remember the computer stored a code due to the missing fuse and the dealer was in there (computer) for some reason and discovered the code. I think it was considered a no-no for warranty standpoint, but as I mentioned I can't find the correct thread. I'd love to remove the fuse, but only if I don't get punched in the face by the dealer

Actually, it's from this very thread.

http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showpost.php?p=56109&postcount=38

He said that the code shows if you run the car without the fuse.
According to the post, nothing shows when using this start+pull+press+put back method.

 

[scottdk]

Actually, it's from this very thread.

http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showpost.php?p=56109&postcount=38

He said that the code shows if you run the car without the fuse.
According to the post, nothing shows when using this start+pull+press+put back method.

Gotcha, thanks for the reply.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Im bumping this very old thread for a small reason that will make life easier. Instead of soldering the wires to the mangled fuse, you can use these little devils

http://www.finditparts.com/products/607438/dorman-85601?gclid=CLiwjKv-2q8CFcJM4AodMUu1BA

I got a set of these for free at bestbuy. I went to the car audio install dept and they just gave me 2.

Or, you can use something like this to keep the install clean as well:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ac...ed-circuit/_/N-25gq?itemIdentifier=32416_0_0_

That would look 100x better than the way it looked on this thread IMHO.

Just a nice bump and also a way for me to find this thread in the future