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2015/2016 Generation Genesis "Dislikes"

Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

only had it for less than a week, but my only dislike is the lack of android auto to use my google maps with traffic from my phone, without a dock.
this car is brilliant. so much fun to drive, everything inside is beautiful and top notch. i think maybe i'm just out of touch with luxury car buyers, but this is the best car i've ever been inside of.

I had a valet at a resort/country-club tell me the same thing earlier this year.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

I had a valet at a resort/country-club tell me the same thing earlier this year.

agreed, interior is the best feature. even after being in the car for 20 hours on our way to Vegas I was still comfortable.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

I mostly love this car, but the voice recognition is awful. Has anyone found a solution to this? Firmware improvement

I can tell you after I had the head unit replaced due to XM losing subscription after every restart of the car that my VR accuracy improved a lot. Still not perfect - but a huge improvement. Also - you do not have to speak loudly... in fact - it will do more harm than good. Speak quiet/normal - but clear. Seems to work best that way for me.

To add music to the Juke Box feature, it will only accept a music stored on a thumb drive, rather than rip from a CD. There is no simple way to add our CD collections. If there is a way to add a CD to the Juke Box, please advise.

You should have already ripped your entire CD collection to have an archive copy. :) very quick and easy to do - and legal... and also then legal to put the MP3 on the car. $.02

The only dislike I've come across is that I can't play audio from my phone via USB so I don't get album art or anything like that. [...]
Anyone know what the issue is with that? I have an Android (LG G4) phone.

I don't think Android supports a protocol that would allow this.

This is indeed the issue. The only solutions at this point are to load your MP3s onto the jukebox (which does load album covers) - or get a cheap ipod and leave it in the car.


Wrong thread. But blasphemous.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

The only solutions at this point are to load your MP3s onto the jukebox (which does load album covers) - or get a cheap ipod and leave it in the car.

My iPod Classic (80gb) has never worked well in this car. It will play for a while and then freeze, forcing an iPod reset. Have seen others experience the same and it worked fine in last two cars.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Drove 2015 5.0 Signature trim for a week then traded my 2012 3.8 for new 2014 R-Spec

Compared to my fully optioned 2012 3.8 , I most liked the powertrain and side-bolstered ventilated seats.

But I’ll never own a Gen II because:
1. Body style. Front clip resembles a Dodge Challenger crossed with a Ford Focus and rear is “Sonata-inspired”
In other words, it went from looking like a European touring sedan to a passive/aggressive cross-breed.

2.Busy/complicated interior. Placement of controls. I'm a "set-and-forget guy" so constantly fiddling with things that I "shouldn't" have to fiddle with such as heater control is a problem for me. Safety belt clasp is buried between seat and center console. Front dash air vent asymmetry ( two different shapes, 3 different orientations)

3.Outside rear wheel hop in sport mode (really loud thunk and not a pothole). Exiting wet S-curve 35-40mph.

4. SPORT mode needs separate options to choose engine speed & shift points and/or suspension stiffness and/or ride height. Have to upshift after setting because all I wanted was stiffer CDS setting. Just give me a stiffer suspension all the time and I'll figure out how to apply the power.

Signature trim package
1.Touch screen is a road hazard.
a.Must have control knob (DIS) or a passenger ☺
b.Have to reach, look and touch 3 things to shut display off at startup (AGREE, SETUP, Display OFF)
c.Display flickers on/off randomly like when radio song or road conditions update

2.No heated rear seats
3.No heated steering wheel

Odd things that might be pilot error.
1.Bluetooth doesn’t pair/sync with my 2014 HTC ONE M8 phone
2.Doesn’t recognize voice commands like DISPLAY OFF or FULL FRONT DISPLAY OFF
3.Proximity-sense side mirrors in auto-mode open and close as I walk past after locking car and cant be controlled with the key-fob when in manual mode.
4.Ventilation refuses to be put into cabin-recycle mode until warmed up. Seems to happen when I’m behind some diesel-dually in cold-start mode.

Car specific
1.Rear view camera is very blurry in the morning even after wiping it off. Clears up later.
Camera flickers off then on again during first few seconds in reverse. Have to stop halfway out of a parking spot. Seems to happen most after warm start and never after cold soak.

HYUNDAI in general
1.Anxiety producing variable speed "smart-sense" wipers should be fixed-rate on an infinitely variable rheostat. Lacking a rheostat option I would want settings permanently set to 3,6,9 & 12 second intervals regardless of vehicle speed or precipitation.
2.Head unit and dash illumination levels are still on two separate controls.
3.Want ability to completely disable ESC without modding.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

So let me guess, you got the 2014 R-Spec for $15,000 less and now you are mentally trying to justify why you did not get the 2015? :D
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Drove 2015 5.0 Signature trim for a week then traded my 2012 3.8 for new 2014 R-Spec
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4. SPORT mode needs separate options to choose engine speed & shift points and/or suspension stiffness and/or ride height. Have to upshift after setting because all I wanted was stiffer CDS setting. Just give me a stiffer suspension all the time and I'll figure out how to apply the power.
Signature trim package
1.Touch screen is a road hazard.
a.Must have control knob (DIS) or a passenger &#9786;
b.Have to reach, look and touch 3 things to shut display off at startup (AGREE, SETUP, Display OFF)

Something doesn't jibe here. You mention that you'd prefer that the continuous damping control suspension can be adjusted independent of the throttle remapping. Fine, that's a wish many of us existing Ultimate owners have. You also said that you drove the car for a week, and that you drove the signature series, and that you longed for the control-knob.

Well the problem is, only the V8 Ultimate has the CDCS, so either the car you had didn't have CDCS and thus you didn't experience it, or you actually got an Ultimate, but if you drove the Ultimate for a week, then you'd know that it actually does come with a control knob.

So I'm not really sure what the story is, but it sounds fishy.

Display flickers on/off randomly like when radio song or road conditions update
I do not have that problem in my car; it's possible there was a problem with that specific head-unit, especially considering later on you mention:

1.Bluetooth doesn&#8217;t pair/sync with my 2014 HTC ONE M8 phone

My Genesis with a working head-unit paired no problem with my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 from 2013. Note that the original head-unit had BT pairing problems and needed to be replaced.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

But I’ll never own a Gen II because:
rear is “Sonata-inspired”.

Mmmkay,

Funny how cars in the same family seem to "inspire" one another lol.



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Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

So let me guess, you got the 2014 R-Spec for $15,000 less and now you are mentally trying to justify why you did not get the 2015? :D

Oh God, here we go again! And *who's* doing the mental justifications?? Referencing my other post about the emperor’s new clothes....
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Oh God, here we go again! And *who's* doing the mental justifications?? Referencing my other post about the emperor’s new clothes....

Well, the original post does kind of come off that way.

Easily half of these dislikes are not unique to the Gen2 and some are specific to the car he test drove, not the whole line. Most of the rest are nitpicky. Heated steering wheel? Seriously? I live in one of the coldest cities in the world and a heated steering wheel would come in near the bottom of priorities in a new car. But that's just me.

Posting in a Gen2 forum, all the reasons why you chose a Gen1, does seem a little like sour grapes. If I walk over to the BMW forums and start posting all the reason I chose a Genesis, how well do you think I'd be received lol.
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Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

Since you opted to get granular - so will I.

But I&#8217;ll never own a Gen II because:
1. Body style. Front clip resembles a Dodge Challenger crossed with a Ford Focus and rear is &#8220;Sonata-inspired&#8221;

That's a bit of a reach. Same-badge cars always have influences over each other's design queues. At worst - the G2 has a shortened version of 14 Sonata lights - and that's about it. The 15 Sonata shares almost nothing with the G2. Now - if you want to talk about rear ends that look the same - check out the A4, A5, A6, A8, 3, 5 and 7 series, all same-class lines from Merc, etc.

The front looks more like a cross between an Audi and an Aston than it does the 2 you listed. But that being said - there are a lot of cars that look very similar on the fronts because of the whole hexagon/trapezoid craze that's been going on with the designers lately.

And to just make a final point - the front of the G1 just looks like an old, tired Merc design. Current design trends across the entire industry are that of a more aggressive looking front. As with all things automotive - they cycle. As an example - you might remember another passive-aggressive front end that turned the industry on it's nose...

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2.Busy/complicated interior. Placement of controls. I'm a "set-and-forget guy" so constantly fiddling with things that I "shouldn't" have to fiddle with such as heater control is a problem for me.

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The controls in this car are about as linearly laid out as you can get. 2 lines of controls, all in a row. Very simple. Very BMW 5 & 7 inspired - vs numerous others that have buttons and controls scattered all over the center stack. There is also the "auto" climate control - which you do indeed set and forget. If you DO need to fiddle with it - it is also the closest control to the steering wheel - just like on any properly designed automobile.

Safety belt clasp is buried between seat and center console.

While I agree and while it isn't something that the user should have to fix - it can be easily fixed: http://www.amazon.com/Seat-Belt-Extender-Hyundai-Genesis/dp/B00KQMQXK8

Front dash air vent asymmetry ( two different shapes, 3 different orientations)

This I agree with you on. Strangely - they gave the correct orientation of the same vents to the 15 Sonata. :/

3.Outside rear wheel hop in sport mode (really loud thunk and not a pothole). Exiting wet S-curve 35-40mph.

Hopping a loaded wheel? Practically impossible in any car - especially at that speed. You hit or strafed something on the roadway or a surface change.

4. SPORT mode needs separate options to choose engine speed & shift points and/or suspension stiffness and/or ride height. Have to upshift after setting because all I wanted was stiffer CDS setting. Just give me a stiffer suspension all the time and I'll figure out how to apply the power.

You would be hard pressed to find this is even a full-on sports car, let alone a touring sedan. This is unrealistic - and unreasonable.

Signature trim package
1.Touch screen is a road hazard.
a.Must have control knob (DIS) or a passenger &#9786;
b.Have to reach, look and touch 3 things to shut display off at startup (AGREE, SETUP, Display OFF)
c.Display flickers on/off randomly like when radio song or road conditions update

1 - not really... but anything you would need to futz with while driving is on the steering wheel anyhow. If you need to futz with the GPS - pull over - even if you have the DIS.
a - get the Ultimate then
b - negative. Wait 8 to 10 seconds - it self-acknowledges and then hit the "DISP" button to the right of the cd slot.
c - faulty unit. return to dealer for replacement.

2.No heated rear seats
3.No heated steering wheel

Get the Ultimate.

2.Doesn&#8217;t recognize voice commands like DISPLAY OFF or FULL FRONT DISPLAY OFF

Over 400 voice commands and you find this. First world problems. :) Press the button to the right of the CD slot.

3.Proximity-sense side mirrors in auto-mode open and close as I walk past after locking car and cant be controlled with the key-fob when in manual mode.

This is a non-issue. I wont even label this as a first world problem.

4.Ventilation refuses to be put into cabin-recycle mode until warmed up. Seems to happen when I&#8217;m behind some diesel-dually in cold-start mode.

There is a reason for this and will result in instantly fogged windows if you did it. Let the car idle a moment when started cold (as you should with any car) and then you will be fine.

1.Rear view camera is very blurry in the morning even after wiping it off. Clears up later.

Camera capsule is cracked. Replace.

Camera flickers off then on again during first few seconds in reverse. Have to stop halfway out of a parking spot. Seems to happen most after warm start and never after cold soak.

Faulty unit. Return to dealer for replacement.

1.Anxiety producing variable speed "smart-sense" wipers should be fixed-rate on an infinitely variable rheostat. Lacking a rheostat option I would want settings permanently set to 3,6,9 & 12 second intervals regardless of vehicle speed or precipitation.

You cannot have smart-sense and controlled interval at the same time on any car. You can do either/or just like on every other car. I don't like how the smart-sense runs either - so I just set the interval.

2.Head unit and dash illumination levels are still on two separate controls.

As it should be. Why on earth would you ever want them together? Splitting them out is one of the best things the industry has ever done. Allows you to keep your gauges bright if you want and your navi less blinding at night.

3.Want ability to completely disable ESC without modding.

Press and hold the ESC button for 3 seconds while watching the dash for 2 messages.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

Oh God, here we go again! And *who's* doing the mental justifications?? Referencing my other post about the emperor’s new clothes....

Why in the world would anyone post in the Gen2 section as to why they bought a Gen1 unless they want to be confronted. If you go and gloat in the Gen1 section I am sure you will get a long list of followers and yeah sayers compared to over here. ;)

Many of us here including myself, have driven thousands and thousands of miles in a Gen I, I actually had a 2010 4.6 and an 2012 RSpec. It only took me a small test drive of the Gen2 and must admit the AWD pulled me in also, to realise I was going to take a big hit when I traded in my 2012 and normally would not have done this however the difference was that great.

In the amount a seat time I had (not a few days) I can tell you along with the rest of the automotive world the Gen2 is leaps and bounds ahead in 99% of it's ways. The only thing that was actually better in the Gen 1 was the phone voice commands which is why I gave it 99%. That being said, I really enjoyed both my Gen1's and thought it was the cats meow until the Gen2 came out that is :welcome:
 
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Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

Why in the world would anyone post in the Gen2 section as to why they bought a Gen1 unless they want to be confronted.

But this is OK in the G2 forum?

"So let me guess, you got the 2014 R-Spec for $15,000 less and now you are mentally trying to justify why you did not get the 2015?"

Right...............
 
Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

Many of us here including myself, have driven thousands and thousands of miles in a Gen I, I actually had a 2010 4.6 and an 2012 RSpec.

I have made the observation more than once that it seems like many of the G2 converts bragging on the ride and handling of the G2 came from some of the stiffest handling G1 models. I think my G1 3.8 with the Rigid collars comes very close to the G2, and in twisties where it's lighter weight plays a role, maybe better.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

But this is OK in the G2 forum?

"So let me guess, you got the 2014 R-Spec for $15,000 less and now you are mentally trying to justify why you did not get the 2015?"

Right...............

Sure, when someone posts pretty lame "rationale" on "issues" with the 2015 (as has been identified in subsequent posts), it seems perfectly OK to speculate if we are getting the real motivation...
 
Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

Drove 2015 5.0 Signature trim for a week then traded my 2012 3.8 for new 2014 R-Spec

Compared to my fully optioned 2012 3.8 , I most liked the powertrain and side-bolstered ventilated seats.

But I&#8217;ll never own a Gen II because:
1. Body style. Front clip resembles a Dodge Challenger crossed with a Ford Focus and rear is &#8220;Sonata-inspired&#8221;
In other words, it went from looking like a European touring sedan to a passive/aggressive cross-breed.

Styling is subjective. I like the G2 much better - you obviously don't so that's a valid consideration.

But your styling influence observation seems off?

Dodge Challenger:
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Ford Fusion:
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Genesis - This looks like a blend of the above 2 to you? Wow... While I can see some similar design elements on the Focus, where do you see anything remotely Challenger like???
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Too exhausting to address the other "issues" you had with the 2015... Enjoy your R spec!
 
Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

Pretty sure he meant the Charger, Nik... which I can't even see a little bit of influence from...

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That being said - they have changed it dramatically for this coming year:

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Re: 2015 Genesis "Dislikes"

I have made the observation more than once that it seems like many of the G2 converts bragging on the ride and handling of the G2 came from some of the stiffest handling G1 models. I think my G1 3.8 with the Rigid collars comes very close to the G2, and in twisties where it's lighter weight plays a role, maybe better.

It's not a sports car and will never be. When I refer to suspension, it's more the luxury ride as in comfortable, unobtrusive and quiet without feeling like your grandpa's Caddy. This is a "luxury" car after all ;) The history of posts on the poor suspension including modifications, to people who traded in the gen1 for another car because of it were numerous. In fact the biggest gripe about the gen1 was the poor suspension which they tried to tweak over it's lifespan and somewhat succeeded but no where near the level of a complete redesign where they focused on past issues/complaints. It is well documented they went as far as getting Lotus involved. Why did they go to all this trouble and expense? Simply because it was a very real issue they needed to address without fail the second time around.

Here is one of dozens of comments, This one from Road & Track

The Genesis rewards mellow drivers with a cosseting experience. This is a big contrast from the last car’s brittle and unsophisticated ride quality, which largely resulted from its dearth of rear wheel travel—a decision made in the interest of trunk space. The 2015 car’s rear suspension has a more upright damper orientation and greater wheel travel, and it does a much better job of isolating occupants from impacts.
 
Re: 2015 Genesis &quot;Dislikes&quot;

It's not a sports car and will never be.

And in my opinion, Hyundai made a mistake by trying to make it one with the R-spec. The R&T article called it brittle and unsophisticated. Which largely matches my impression on the R-spec, although some here seem to like it. Different strokes, etc. For the non-Rspec G1, compared to the G2, the comment about the trunk space and the upright damper is interesting. I'm just not sure it would make all that much difference for normal spirited driving. Would you have to be really pushing it over roads with a lot of dips, etc., for that to show as a shortcoming on the G1 vs. the G2? I'm not normally pushing the envelope like that..
 
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